COVID-19 Fact or Fiction?

[seenbeen]

JohnL Wrote:

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> 770 students in Northumbria University test

> positive.

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> https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/northumbria-uni

> versity-students-positive-coronavirus-a4562261.htm

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and more

https://planetradio.co.uk/greatest-hits/devon/news/exeter-university-coronavirus-cases-alarming/

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/education/university-coronavirus-cases-students-a4562546.html

the students will be ok in the main but the staff?

they are being fined

https://www.nottinghampost.com/news/nottingham-news/nottingham-student-fined-10000-throwing-4512496

but is that the value of a life?

[Blah Blah]

I don't know how else the message can be got through to those who flout the current regulations in this way. 10k is a lot of money to most people to be fair, but no, will never equal the value of a life. Somewhere along the way, the messaging has gone wrong. Young people who fail to see that although they may be at low risk of dying, they need to be part of the effort to stop the spread. It is the two week incubation period that I think needs to be emphasised, but of course, that has the danger of terrifying other people from going anywhere near others at all. I think every government is struggling with getting the balance right, and people have to take responsibility for their own behaviour too.

[TE44]

https://www.globalresearch.ca/why-corona-extra-parliamentary-inquiry-committee-necessary/5725041

Why Germany's corona extra-parliamentary inquiry committee is necessary.

Although many are prepared to believe the advice regardless of contradictions, not only in advice given but in there own interpretations of that advice. It is impossible to ignore the damage caused and continueing.

[Blah Blah]

You are very predictable TE44. Look at the site you are linking to.

'Description: The Centre for Research on Globalisation (CRG) is is a Montreal-based independent research and media group of progressive writers, academics and activists who are critical of globalisation and the New World Order.'

In other words, just about as biased a narrative as one can find.

As for Dr Heiko Schoning, he is another one deliberately lying to you about the science.

[TE44]

Blah blah, I worry you may have some sort of psychological herd mentality hysteria. You should stop reading all these sites you believe can lead to rabbit holes. I almost forgot, you have appointed yourself the truth giver with a mission to make sure that truth doesnt slip into a place where it would conflict with your own views, you are extremely predictable, a circular talker, waiting on the next bit of advice, so you can feel the governments struggle. What do you think about an enquiry?

[Blah Blah]

Everything you post points to the overall conspiracy you believe in, New World Order, false data, a big plot to ruin the economy and impoverish us all. All of the cranks you site, and they are cranks, are part of that narrative. And yes, I have qualification to challenge any of the science that ANY of these so called sources you point to cite.

[TE44]

you also have aproblem recognising the cinflict within science but then when you choose to take away peoples credentials and see them as cranks whether it be doctors immunologist ets its no surprise you believe yourself to be qualified to challenge any science the strays into these scaryn rabbit holes your so frightened of. what is your qualifications.

[Sephiroth]

TE44 believes they have an ally in the madness and is getting more aggressive.

Doesn?t change facts - proper off the charts weird beliefs systems. Whilst believing they have a truth most people are too blind to see

You are a crank te44. Certainly on here if your posts are anything to go by. It?s not a difference of opinion. The Cat has opinions I disagree with. But you? It?s literally impossible to engage

[TE44]

Sephiroth youve got to be taking the piss, more aggresive. Who is my ally? Oh I get it. I assume you mean Robbie I also assume you must feel you are an ally of blah blah. where in your head it is all right to accuse people of being cranks and when they react, which by the way was not to you, it is aggresive. Herd mentality I believe its called. how weird is it to recognise what is happening through these measures and allow yourself to feel it is wrong. Engaging with people who think it is weird to not agree with thousands dying beacuse of measures implemented ,against the millions that might die, you know all the ones that have been saved . because of the never ending rules that people are getting more confused by. it all makes sense does it. Like the burger place fined a thousand pound for serving before 10 but burger wasn"t ready to 10.04. probably part of the bringing business back.

[TE44]

as much as I love about science, I do believe it can confine conciousness and attempt to cancel out other abilities. it feels like it is being weighed up as hard facts even though we know through the contradictory advice given, the facts heve not been clear and it has created the most cruellest of conditions. Now this might sound weird to some but intuitively do we as humans want our loved ones to fear dying , seperated from there family. Is there nothing to be learned from all these other things that make us human. Have we been so filled with fear to allow the vulnerable in society to be tortured under the name of protection. I won*t go into the suicides as Blah blah is convinced a crank like me couldnt see the benefits of these rules around mental wellbeing. Science at its worse.

[Sephiroth]

Chr(13)

[TE44]

https://www.bitchute.com/video/gsOquVaRDSTK/

Lawyer from Covid Investigative Committee, Germany.

[JohnL]

TE44 Wrote:

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> by. it all makes sense does it. Like the burger

> place fined a thousand pound for serving before 10

> but burger wasn"t ready to 10.04. probably part of

> the bringing business back.

The law is the law. That isn't about Covid-19. the same would happen if a pub served after hours (and they don't - they make a huge fuss about not doing so in most pubs as they know how the law works - I tried enough when younger)

[TE44]

Johnl what is the curfew about then if its not about covid. Singing, dancing, mingling etc or shod we not make a fuss about any

Newlaws that have been proved to help physical and mental health. No a burger may not fall into that category but it shows the contradictions with a few weeks of how our

Governments concerns of getting businesses back by subsidising millions of meals, bringing people together then decides to change all that. Of course the law is for protection of the people.

[JohnL]

Maybe it's my south walian side (my uncle teaching me how to behave at a funeral comes to mind) but you should follow laws unless you detect an ethical issue. I don't have one about the 10pm curfew,the government should explain themselves better about this curfew (it's not obvious why it's there or is it executed very well). But if we disobeyed every law we disagree with or don't understand the country would be chaos.

[seenbeen]

TE44 Wrote:

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> Johnl what is the curfew about then if its not

> about covid. Singing, dancing, mingling etc or

> shod we not make a fuss about any

> Newlaws that have been proved to help physical and

> mental health. No a burger may not fall into that

> category but it shows the contradictions with a

> few weeks of how our

> Governments concerns of getting businesses back by

> subsidising millions of meals, bringing people

> together then decides to change all that. Of

> course the law is for protection of the people.

When people get drunk they get careless (and this pandemic and the restrictions are enough to drive anyone to drink)....maybe they are cutting down the time spent in the pub to that end...but after 10 pm there were plenty of photos of young people queuing up outside corner shops that sell alcohol and most of them stay open half the night anyway....might as well let the pubs stay open imo.

[JohnL]

Just noticed that a load of data wasn't entered into the figures as 'the files were too big to fit on the system'. This could have had a noticeable effect on figures and peoples response

Being an IT guy I say that this would have been reported to the managers and kicked up the chain of management. They can't blame the guy who was uploading the data and got an error unless he told no-one or got told what to do and didn't. There must have been some kind of asterix on the data about this.

Edit: And on the news they're now saying "truncated" - implies data was uploaded bu error message was returned. Not sure if this was an automatic or manual process but the error messages were monitored I take it ?

[TE44]

The lawyers link I added above particularly looks at the RT PCR test. The point being made around these positive results is, without them there is no other proof of a pandemic. The question of accuracy along with many other mistakes around data also needs investigated. Lawyer dr Reiner Fuellmich along with others are taking legal action against the German government. Regardless of the questioning on reliability with this test and continuing mistakes with the stats, they continue to be held up as proof of a pandemic.

[TE44]

Seenbeen I don"t get closing burger bars. If all the restrictions they"ve put in place since the beginning had stopped the deaths estimated. why has it continued removing our freedoms and dictating when we can laugh, sing, move and breath.

[Siduhe]

JohnL Wrote:

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> Being an IT guy I say that this would have been

> reported to the managers and kicked up the chain

> of management. They can't blame the guy who was

> uploading the data and got an error unless he told

> no-one or got told what to do and didn't. There

> must have been some kind of asterix on the data

> about this.

The suggestion being widely reported is that it was a lack of understanding about the limitations of Excel when running an automated process. If true, that's pretty f**king unbelievable. I'm in no way a tech person but I do deal with large data sets from time to time and I know that Excel has several limitations, not least on overall data size but also cell and column limits (as well as being pretty much the worst choice I can think of for transferring large amounts of sensitive personal data).

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/covid-testing-technical-issue-excel-spreadsheet-a4563616.html

[Blah Blah]

TE44, people suddenly getting ill and filling ICU wards with a novel virus IS proof of a pandemic. I ask you again, because you have never actually answered the question, how many people have to flood hospitals and die before you define a pandemic? A million globally have already died (twice the annual death rate of flu in 9 months), but that it seems is not enough for you. This is the first time a global pandemic has been mitigated in this way, with restrictions and lockdowns and mass ongoing testing, monitoring and mitigation. But the process has been used on local levels for other smaller pandemics. So it is not an unknown science. It is clear, that if you let this virus spread freely, so that most people get it, more people will end up in ICU and more people will die.

On the ongoing malarky around data collection, this is always going to be fraught with difficulties unless every person is tested and with a test that is almost 100 percent accurate. The issue with the government approach is their insistence that tracking and tracing is centrally organised, over running a localised system. They are wedded to big contracts to their favoured contractors in other words, over using a system that is known to work much better and gives resources to local authorities and local health trusts. And for that, they can not be forgiven.

[JohnL]

Siduhe Wrote:

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> JohnL Wrote:

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> > Being an IT guy I say that this would have been

> > reported to the managers and kicked up the

> chain

> > of management. They can't blame the guy who

> was

> > uploading the data and got an error unless he

> told

> > no-one or got told what to do and didn't.

> There

> > must have been some kind of asterix on the data

> > about this.

>

> The suggestion being widely reported is that it

> was a lack of understanding about the limitations

> of Excel when running an automated process. If

> true, that's pretty f**king unbelievable. I'm in

> no way a tech person but I do deal with large data

> sets from time to time and I know that Excel has

> several limitations, not least on overall data

> size but also cell and column limits (as well as

> being pretty much the worst choice I can think of

> for transferring large amounts of sensitive

> personal data).

>

> https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/covid-testing-t

> echnical-issue-excel-spreadsheet-a4563616.html

LOL way back in 1992 I used to train health staff on basic computing (started off with Wordperfect, Lotus123 and moved to Word and Excel).

I actually remember saying way back then that once you start to put in a lot of table data you should ask yourself is a spreadsheet best for this or should I move it to a database. 1992 LOL.

[TE44]

Blah blah where are you getting your flu stats from? There are more hospital cases of flu at the moment. Im out on circular talk. I will follow the court hearings hoping in the mean time the only hope the deaths related with the measures do"t overtake the flu figures. also the study into how many people die from the positive test. obviously this is the important question. Have you any figures on the deaths in relation with the tests since they"ve upped them. Glad to hear lawyers are using the law to get questions answered from a state that would rather close down conversation. and repeat the same fear tactics. As a scientist you must surely have read enough studies on the impact of fear, psychologically and physically.

[Blah Blah]

Here we go again. The world reports flu figures anuallly. The average deaths from flu each year form ALL of those reports going back decades is 500,000. I have linked you to those annual reports before. Stop playing games. It is getting very tedious now.

[Blah Blah]

Here we go again. The world reports flu figures annually. The average deaths from flu each year form ALL of those reports going back decades is 500,000. I have linked you to those annual reports before. Stop playing games. It is getting very tedious now.