COVID-19 Fact or Fiction?

[TE44]

J.a. Seriously I think you need help. Be careful if you behave and ttalk like you are on here you may have to try to avoid being committed, but I expect not.

[Sephiroth]

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[TE44]

Sephiroth, committed also known as sectioned. I expect j.a. does not speak how she is speaking to me, face to face. Sorry I know I am not clear at times.

[j.a.]

TE44 Wrote:

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> J.a. Seriously I think you need help. Be careful

> if you behave and ttalk like you are on here you

> may have to try to avoid being committed, but I

> expect not.

Ahahaaahaha! Like you know me... I?d happilly tell you to your face that being an anti-vaxxer makes you a clear and present danger to the human race, and your insistence in believing crackpot theories you cherry pick off the web over solid science (see every post Blah Blah has made) demonstrates and emotional attachment to a view of the world which you can?t begin to question.

Your a conspiracy theorist. Fine, it?s your problem. If it was limited to Covidiocy I?d probably ignore you but, as I say, anti-vaxxer, and people like you have to be opposed at every turn.

What is it about smallpox, polio, German measles, cervical cancer and tetanus (to name but a few) you like so much, anyway? I?ve heard of medical fetishes but that?s just weird. Don?t bother answering, I?m gonna ignore you for a while. Got a family and all that. I?m sure I?ll swing past your drivel at some point soon though. Kisses.

[TE44]

J.a. you'll find I can question, its not against the law yet. Where would the vaccine damage payment be, who would acknowledge many mistakes and millions of pounds worth of fines from your pharmaceuticals if it wasn't people questioning from a different view. Enjoy the rest of the day with your family.

[Blah Blah]

I think you'll find TE44 that there are different protocols at the moment that are the discretion of a hospital and their staff. Before anyone can go near a highly infectious patient, they have to be put into full protection PPE, and it is not always practical to do that for non essential medical staff let alone relatives. You just have no idea what you are talking about.

The 40 million comes from the 0.3 percent death rate that increasing data suggests. But you are deflecting. Are you happy to risk 40 million people dying? Just answer the question.

As for expert studies, my job depends on reading them frequently. It is one of the reasons I am able to debunk every nonsensical rabbit hole some people fall down so easily. Those expert studies (that you dismiss so out of hand) are also the reason why people get the care they need. Heaven help us if were left to you and the cranks you like to cite.

[TE44]

Are you reading the Neil Fergusons papers afrom Imperial College Blah Blah. Are you prepared to put peoples mental health at risk, peoples livelyhood, make peoples last days on this planet hell. 650,000 deaths a year worldwide

From flu, increase yearly despite vaccines. "Those expert studies are the reason people get care you need", open your eyes, have you got any older family in care homes. Your so concerned about debunking people who have different experiences, views, you cant see past your own importance, oops sorry i mean the experts you follow. What a perfect world we would have with all these experts that are never wrong, that is if its the experts you are reading.

[JohnL]

Kay Burley just mentioned as a sort of aside that students are banned from having parties in student accommodation.

or as the Sun puts it "Randy freshers will be stopped from bonking because of the coronavirus pandemic."

How will they cope :)

[Earl Aelfheah]

If the R rate continues to rise significantly, does anyone think Johnson will try to impose full lockdown again, or would it just be too politically difficult now?

[JohnL]

Curfew is coming I think maybe 10PM - 4AM.

Just the word Curfew will wind up some.

[Blah Blah]

TE44 Wrote:

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> Are you reading the Neil Fergusons papers afrom

> Imperial College Blah Blah. Are you prepared to

> put peoples mental health at risk, peoples

> livelyhood, make peoples last days on this planet

> hell. 650,000 deaths a year worldwide

> From flu, increase yearly despite vaccines. "Those

> expert studies are the reason people get care you

> need", open your eyes, have you got any older

> family in care homes. Your so concerned about

> debunking people who have different experiences,

> views, you cant see past your own importance, oops

> sorry i mean the experts you follow. What a

> perfect world we would have with all these experts

> that are never wrong, that is if its the experts

> you are reading.

Nope, I am not letting you get away with this nonsense. I just gave you a clue, in that my job requires a certain level of medical education and continuous reading of new peer reviewed research. You are out of your depth.

I just gave you EVIDENCE that suicide rates were down, by a sizeable margin in the first three months of lockdown. You are making assumptions when you should be waiting for the facts. The figures for the second three months seem to be heading the same way. Anecdotal local experience is not representative of anything. That is why I dismiss it. You have to look at the facts overall. And from there, local anomalies can be investigated. You have presented no evidence of anything. Just a load of easily debunked nonsense from cranks that share your conspiracist world view.

Yes there are indeed half a million flu deaths globally every year on average. 80 percent of them though are people who did not have the vaccine. But you are offering this against potentially 40 million dying from Covid. So you still are making irrelevant comparisons. I ask you again, how many people dying from Covid is too many? I keep asking you the question. You keep refusing to answer it.

[TE44]

Blah Blah Wrote:

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> You asked about suicide data TE44. You can find

> tables here (link below) but the first quarter of

> 2020 was in line with previous years. The second

> quarter (which is the spring/ early summer) shows

> a significant decrease on previous years. Figures

> for the third quarter are not available yet.

> Suicide is a complex issue and understanding a

> decrease is as valid as understanding any

> increase. It is quite possible that the decrease

> is the result of people being able to spend more

> time at home, without the stress of work life and

> other things. To assume the trend would only go

> the other way is a bit premature.

>

> https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunit

> y/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/deathsc

> ausedbysuicidebyquarterinengland

From the link blah blah put up

Figures are for deaths registered rather than deaths occuring ineach cslendar year. Due to the length of time it takes to complete a coroners inquesr, it can take moths or even years for a suicide to be registered.

The lower number of registered deaths in the second quarter of 2020 reflects delays to inquests cause by the coronavirus (covid19).

Figures for deaths are provisional and will be finalised in late 2021 in the annual"Suicides in the Uk"

Considering you read studies blah blah, your response to my post shows how you were more concerned in debunking me you missed out the point I was making, which was right there for you to see but you chose to see a reality of people having less stress through having time off work and other things. You seem to be able to be more positive the deaths will be lower regarding suicides regardless of an explanation why this may be. Your understanding of what you read seems to be limited by beliefs not what you are actually reading. I understand now why you would be unable to read anything from scientists disagreeing with the 40million deaths that haven't happened. Sorry I believe you call the cranks.

Can you give me the facts on the 80% of unvaccinated flu deaths

You can see what I have quoted from blah blahs link by downloading figuree for 2020, opening then press table 1 and open. Just incase its not easy for anyone to find it

[seenbeen]

Pubs might have to close early

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/rule-six-pubs-could-face-22682609

[Blah Blah]

And that is why you wait for the facts to be evidenced TE44. You don't just make stuff up because you want it to be true. The figures show a drop in quarterly suicide rates. That is the fact I have referenced. What that means in reality takes longer to establish. I have said that very clearly. You are just not reading my posts properly, and still you ignore the question I keep asking you. How many global deaths from covid would be acceptable to you? You can deflect all you like, but until you answer that, I will keep asking.

[TE44]

Yes blah blah you made it very clear regarding numbers but managed to omit the information above which was the point I made regarding Louis Appleby not giving real time figures and length of time before we know. I am surprised, as someone who works reading papers you would fail to agree with my point and now claim I am not reading your post, when you have added to your reading of INS figures an assumption why the figures are lower. Yoy would rather look at figures assumed and are becoming rather pedantic. Keep on asking, Im sure the horror and fear of 40,000 million people dying puts some distance for you between the horror of people dying now. It also seems to be measured in a way that attempts to lessen peoples fears, pain, losses and poverty which is goin to create more death. No there is no % I'm going to quote, respect for life is not found in a chart. People dying of starvation is not acceptable, whether it be one person or 6,000,000. I have no wish to start quoting figures being made around the devastation that is very likely to come because of policies, why, beacause I believe we should be looking at the people being affected now. Recognising the damage being done, the divide being created, and the control and attempt to put our lives in the hand of experts. The same experts that have put our vulnerable at risk. Whilst continueing to blame us and continueing to scare the life out of people.

[Blah Blah]

Stop deflecting TE44. How many deaths from covid have to happen before they are too many? Answer that. You do realise that they have already exceeded the annual flu death toll right, in just six months with lockdown measures in place? So answer the question and let's see how many people you want to die.

[Blah Blah]

And to be clear TE44, globally, we are close to 1 million deaths. How high do you think that figure would be without governments around the world taking measures to slow and stop spread? Are you really so unable to see the reasoning behind the measures? Covid is blowing everything else out of the water right now. That is what a global pandemic does.

[TE44]

Have a good day, I'm off out to enjoy this glorious day and who knows encounter that human trait of socialising. Theres a question, how many people socialising together is acceptable? Common sense may have to be redefined.

[TE44]

And as I said blah blah, the figures arent in yet of the damage done outside of covid.

[Blah Blah]

Answer the question. How many deaths is too many? Clearly nearly 1 million is not enough for you. That speaks for itself and is why no-one is listening to you.

[TE44]

It may be blowing everything out of the water for you, I dont believe it is for most people. Yes its changed everyones life, We are apart and a part. Although most people are involved with there own lives whilst at the same time having to rely on many systems for connection to outside realities, news etc. Many of these systems are corrupt and unfit for the purpose they say they stand for. I believe what we are seeing is people, I include myself, who have a great distrust for many of these system, others who have not had time whilst working, paying bills living in a constant state of having to manage there own life etc at the same time choosing there own forms of relaxing and freedom. I have faith in people and the longer these contradictions go on the more people are questioning these experts. The confusion caused by these policies have absolutely thrown peoples lives into nightmares we couldn't imagine. But I suppose its easier for some to think of a worse nightmare than ackniwledge the one we are in. I really am going out now, come back sun.

[j.a.]

?people are questioning these experts.?

Aaaaand there it is. The core of what you think is a coherent argument. Your experts are ok, other people?s are somehow ?wrong?.

I?m really enjoying how you can?t see the flaw in your own position. Please continue!

[Earl Aelfheah]

It's good to hear that a special exemption is being granted to people hunting with guns. They can meet in groups up to 30. 😒

[Blah Blah]

And there you go again TE44, failing to answer the question. How many deaths is too many? Clearly nearly 1 million in just six months is not enough for you, so I am genuinely curious as to what point you understand the benchmark of a global pandemic to be. That you won't answer it tells me that deep down, you know there is no good answer to that question that can save your incoherent non evidence based arguments. So you run out into the sunshine, but not before you try to have the last word again. I will keep asking you until you answer it, how many deaths above the million already counted, is too many? We can then compare notes in December, when the northern hemisphere is in the middle of cold and flu season.

[Blah Blah]

rahrahrah Wrote:

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> It's good to hear that a special exemption is

> being granted to people hunting with guns. They

> can meet in groups up to 30. 😒

Yes, this was trending across social media yesterday. It typifies the elitist thinking of Boris and his ilk. One rule for them and another for the rest of us.