Pubs and restaurants to close?

[nina_maniana]

Wondering if in light of the latest government advice whether pubs and restaurants in the area will stay open? Working from home is fine but having nowhere to go to break it up will be tough (though understandably maybe necessary)

[Sue]

nina_maniana Wrote:

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> Wondering if in light of the latest government

> advice whether pubs and restaurants in the area

> will stay open? Working from home is fine but

> having nowhere to go to break it up will be tough

> (though understandably maybe necessary)

It would be a bit pointless working from home to avoid contact with other people, but then going out to a pub or restaurant where you would be in contact with other people?

[edcam]

Yet again the government put their interests (insurance industry) first by putting the onus on consumers to NOT go to pubs, restaurants, theatres, etc., instead of making it a rule and enabling at least some of them to claim.

[diable rouge]

Exactly edcam. The ineptitude of Johnson and his Gov during this crisis gets worse with each passing day. By giving advice rather than forcing people not to go to pubs/restaurants/theatres etc he has hung out to dry thousands of businesses, giving them no legal recourse to claim with their insurers for the inevitable losses and liquidations that will follow. France by contrast has promised no business no matter how small will suffer financially. He has well and truly f*cked business like he said...

[nina_maniana]

Sue - i think there?s a difference between being packed on a tube for the commute and spending all day in a crowded office versus meeting a friend for lunch and avoiding unnecessary contact?

I understand why the government would want places closed but for my own peace of mind i would definitely be comfortable with going to some social spaces.

My question was more, based on the government?s loose form of words around closures whether businesses would tend to stay open pending a formal edict by which they could actually claim insurance?

[Earl Aelfheah]

Everyone should be staying home. The government need to order pubs and restaurants to close so they can clean insurance. This is not being treated anywhere near seriously enough. The whole response has been too little and too slow

[JohnL]

nina_maniana Wrote:

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> Sue - i think there?s a difference between being

> packed on a tube for the commute and spending all

> day in a crowded office versus meeting a friend

> for lunch and avoiding unnecessary contact?

>

> I understand why the government would want places

> closed but for my own peace of mind i would

> definitely be comfortable with going to some

> social spaces.

>

> My question was more, based on the government?s

> loose form of words around closures whether

> businesses would tend to stay open pending a

> formal edict by which they could actually claim

> insurance?

They are saying complete isolation at some point - not yet.

You could go to a pub or restaurant at the moment and it may well be pretty empty (if they stay open) but in a short while they will be closed I think.

I think a walk may still be OK - and maybe something will be arranged. Other than that expand your social and video media to have virtual breaks with friends if you're lucky enough to have them.

[JohnL]

Amazon is taking on staff - bet they have a business pan for stay at home.

https://www.standard.co.uk/business/amazon-hiring-coronavirus-employee-drive-a4389111.html

"The company added that it would be looking to hire individuals currently out of work due to cutbacks over the coronavirus outbreak in the restaurant, travel and entertainment industries, among others."

"We want those people to know we welcome them on our teams until things return to normal and their past employer is able to bring them back,"

[TheCat]

JohnL Wrote:

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> Amazon is taking on staff - bet they have a

> business pan for stay at home.

>

> https://www.standard.co.uk/business/amazon-hiring-

> coronavirus-employee-drive-a4389111.html

>

> "The company added that it would be looking to

> hire individuals currently out of work due to

> cutbacks over the coronavirus outbreak in the

> restaurant, travel and entertainment industries,

> among others."

>

> "We want those people to know we welcome them on

> our teams until things return to normal and their

> past employer is able to bring them back,"

You'd have to think that as many parts of the economy collapse, there will be some pockets which are absolutely creaming it....supermarkets, pharmacies, courier companies, streaming services, mobile network and internet providers .....

[malumbu]

I'm pleased not to be in France under their martial rule. Not a fan of Bojo but at least I can exercise my own judgement about socialising. I sense that many would whinge on this site whatever government did.

There is the bigger issue of maintaining some sort of business as usual, economic impact, our well being in terms of being social animals, and the health consequences. History will tell.

[Sue]

rahrahrah Wrote:

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> Everyone should be staying home. The government

> need to order pubs and restaurants to close so

> they can clean insurance. This is not being

> treated anywhere near seriously enough. The whole

> response has been too little and too slow

I completely agree.

[Sue]

diable rouge Wrote:

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> Exactly edcam. The ineptitude of Johnson and his

> Gov during this crisis gets worse with each

> passing day. By giving advice rather than forcing

> people not to go to pubs/restaurants/theatres etc

> he has hung out to dry thousands of businesses,

> giving them no legal recourse to claim with their

> insurers for the inevitable losses and

> liquidations that will follow. France by contrast

> has promised no business no matter how small will

> suffer financially. He has well and truly f*cked

> business like he said...

Surely he will be forced to backtrack on this once he belatedly realises the implications??

[KidKruger]

Very sweet how people still can believe this Govt has the peoples' safety and interests at heart.

Bless.

[pk]

Sue Wrote:

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> rahrahrah Wrote:

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> > Everyone should be staying home. The government

> > need to order pubs and restaurants to close so

> > they can clean insurance. This is not being

> > treated anywhere near seriously enough. The

> whole

> > response has been too little and too slow

>

>

> I completely agree.

although few businesses have insurance that would cover this

[fishbiscuits]

KidKruger Wrote:

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> Very sweet how people still can believe this Govt

> has the peoples' safety and interests at heart.

> Bless.

Yep. Government priorities are first and foremost economical.

Maybe they're even hoping for a faster spread so we're out on the other side quicker?!! Who knows.

[JohnL]

fishbiscuits Wrote:

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> KidKruger Wrote:

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> > Very sweet how people still can believe this

> Govt

> > has the peoples' safety and interests at heart.

> > Bless.

>

> Yep. Government priorities are first and foremost

> economical.

>

> Maybe they're even hoping for a faster spread so

> we're out on the other side quicker?!! Who knows.

They need antibody testing - to know who has had this and who hasn't.

I still suspect I (and quite a few others) may have had it weeks ago before it was even supposed to be in UK - but not gambling my health on that.

[malumbu]

We are spending 15% of GDP in the short term, to avoid overwhelming the NHS and 1000s if not 1000s of avoidable deaths. Am I being stupid? This does not appear to be putting the economy first. Can you lot not see beyond a knee jerk response of believing that everything this government does is wrong? Irony is that he will come out of this even stronger....

If you want to have a proper whinge here is one - what a stupid time to have left the EU.

[Blah Blah]

Yes and no malumbu. Where I would agree with you is in that this is a fast moving situation that waits for no man. It is an enormously difficult task to put in all the safeguards needed overnight. But at the same time, they have been too slow to the gate, hence the sudden onslaught of concern from just about every sector of the economy and society. Time for them to get moving now.

Personally, I think if anyone is likely to mess it up, its Boris. His gaff 'operation last gasp' yesterday being a case in point. He lacks the self awareness and empathy to really connect with what ordinary people are about to go through. So his best bet is to focus on resources and logistics, and making sure everyone has what they need, and leave the quips and clowning at the door.

People have also got to play their part, understand the seriousness of this virus and do as asked. Going to a pub is not a safe thing to do. Because even if you are socially distanced, the table you sit at, the chair you move to sit down on, could easily have just been vacated by someone with the virus that coughed all over it. The only environment you have control over, is your home.

And to be blunt. There are going to be people around you that die and you will be shocked it was them. We will all hear people say, 'I never realised it was so serious', 'I never thought I could lose so and so like this'. This is very much the calm before the storm. Things are absolutely going to become very serious within weeks.

[diable rouge]

I don't believe the Gov is putting the economy first (leaving the EU proves that), and I also don't believe in daft conspiracy theories that it's some kind of organised cull, especially as those most at risk are likely to be their core voters. But what I do know is that successive Tory Govs of which this PM and many senior ministers were active in, have deliberately underfunded the NHS and social care among others as part of an unnecessary 10-year austerity programme. There's no argument to be had that had they not done that then we would be in a better position to cope than we currently are. We can't suddenly magic up all the nurses, doctors, beds and equipment that has been lost in that time.

Germany, a country similar in size has 4 times as many ICUs and recently ordered 10,000 extra ventilators. Our Gov meanwhile is sending blueprints on how to make a ventilator to various manufacturing companies asking them to knock out a job lot i.e. Operation Last Gasp...

[JohnL]

Pubs and restaurants legally allowed to move to a takeaway business plan

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-to-grant-permission-for-pubs-and-restaurants-to-operate-as-takeaways-as-part-of-coronavirus-response

[malumbu]

DR and BB, some thoughtful posts. Thanks. Others take note. Informed debate whether we agree with each other or not.

[DulwichFox]

Was out on Lordship Lane at 12.00 and 13.30 today.

No evidence of people boycotting local Pubs. A few People sitting in EDT at 12.10 and a few more again 13.30

I may assess the situation later tonight by going out for a walk and getting a Take_Away.

No intention of venturing into any pub. Pub probably quiet due to no football.

DulwichFox

[JohnL]

4 Quarters and Canavans in Peckham both closed until further notice.

[TheCat]

DulwichFox Wrote:

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> Was out on Lordship Lane at 12.00 and 13.30

> today.

>

> No evidence of people boycotting local Pubs. A

> few People sitting in EDT at 12.10 and a few more

> again 13.30

>

> I may assess the situation later tonight by going

> out for a walk and getting a Take_Away.

> No intention of venturing into any pub. Pub

> probably quiet due to no football.

>

> DulwichFox

Seriously, I don't know what is wrong with some people. We have NHS workers, teachers etc all not able to be with their own families as they are treating or looking after other people's families. We have swathes of small businesses closing, and people being laid off.

And then while all this is going we also have some people thi nk 'f+ck the advice....I don't care about the effort others are putting...I'll just go socialise at the pub'....

[carlafindle]

TheCat Wrote:

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> DulwichFox Wrote:

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> > Was out on Lordship Lane at 12.00 and 13.30

> > today.

> >

> > No evidence of people boycotting local Pubs. A

> > few People sitting in EDT at 12.10 and a few

> more

> > again 13.30

> >

> > I may assess the situation later tonight by

> going

> > out for a walk and getting a Take_Away.

> > No intention of venturing into any pub. Pub

> > probably quiet due to no football.

> >

> > DulwichFox

>

> Seriously, I don't know what is wrong with some

> people. We have NHS workers, teachers etc all not

> able to be with their own families as they are

> treating or looking after other people's families.

> We have swathes of small businesses closing, and

> people being laid off.

>

> And then while all this is going we also have some

> people thi nk 'f+ck the advice....I don't care

> about the effort others are putting...I'll just go

> socialise at the pub'....

Totally agree... ignorant cunch of bunts...