6.7 billion quid to build the Olympic facilities omg!

[Loz]

fazer71 Wrote:

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> ?1.2 bn on a media centre !!!!!!!!! FFS total

> insanity ,,, unless someone can explain how that

> number happened?

I have pointed you to a site that a) breaks all this down and b) shows you why that number is wrong.

Hmmm - I am starting to concur with your claim you are not a troll. The other option is looking far more likely.

[Huguenot]

Fazer won't look at the spending breakdown because it will tell him what he's probably beginning to suspect - that he's talking out of his behind.

I'm particularly impressed by the 'common knowledge' argument - ever the domain of the charlatan. What it actually means is 'me and my mates have started a rumour and if we repeat it enough that makes it true'.

[fazer71]

Hugenot

Ahhh you just twist everything into a direct insult you really should stop showing yourself up.

Have you spoken to anyone who worked on the Olympics?

I have, individual contractors they were earning great rates they worked hard and were well paid.

I have a problem with the Companies who employed them who still made excessive profits.

Loz

An argument which can never be won.

The figures will add up and result in ?1.2 Bn for a media centre.

?6.7 Bn total etc etc

If it looks like a duck sounds like a duck it probably is a duck.

I can point you to a legal bill for a contract all that will tell you is what the lawyer charged per hour worked.

It won't compare the hourly charge with another it won't tell you if he actually worked the hours he charged.

It's just a load of numbers which are there to show what was paid and charged.

It won't show if the rate was high or low or exactly how many hours were actually worked.

So to suggest I look at a load of numbers is pretty stupid unless you are able to prove the hours worked and the rates were the market rates.

If my ecomparisons don't mean anything to you fine but even Hugenot was surprised by some of the contract works!

If all you can offer is a link to a load of numbers and you're not bothered to justify those numbers what the F are you replying to my posts for ? Are you stupid?

[Loz]

fazer71 Wrote:

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> Loz

> An argument which can never be won.

>

> The figures will add up and result in ?1.2 Bn for a media centre.

No they don't.

Try again.

(Clue: if you click on the pretty circles, magic things happen...)

[lpool]

So which of the CLM contractors have told you this? Please tell.

[Huguenot]

I've just had a look at the figures, and guess what - fazer is wrong again.

The Shard cost around ?450m for 1,200,000 square feet. That's around ?375 per square foot.

The Olympic Media Centre cost ?350m for 900,000 square feet. That's around ?388 per square foot.

There's nothing in it, the slight additional cost is easily justified by the huge technical demands of outfitting communications technology for 20,000 journalists.

The hourly rate of a lawyer is irrelevant. The claim that fazer made is that the Olympics infrastructure was subject to to price gouging and over charging (and now the accusation of fraud)on behalf of contractors.

In fact we are discovering that the prices, whether compared with the Shard or the Emirate stadium, are nothing of the sort.

What's that smell?

[fazer71]

Loz Wrote:

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> fazer71 Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

>

> > Loz

> > An argument which can never be won.

> >

> > The figures will add up and result in ?1.2 Bn

> for a media centre.

>

>

> No they don't.

>

> Try again.

>

> (Clue: if you click on the pretty circles, magic

> things happen...)

Yes

I know it shows what was spent.

What exactly are you saying I'm missing ?

lpool Wrote:

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> So which of the CLM contractors have told you

> this? Please tell.

Yea right.

[fazer71]

Huguenot Wrote:

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> The hourly rate of a lawyer is irrelevant. The

> claim that fazer made is that the Olympics

> infrastructure was subject to to price gouging and

> over charging (and now the accusation of fraud)on

> behalf of contractors.

It's not fraud don't be rediculous its the equivalent to weekend rates double the daily or hourly rate.

Ffs Fraud !

How can we continue to discuss this with rediculous comments like this are made?

[fazer71]

Huguenot Wrote:

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> I've just had a look at the figures, and guess

> what - fazer is wrong again.

>

> The Shard cost around ?450m for 1,200,000 square

> feet. That's around ?375 per square foot.

>

> The Olympic Media Centre cost ?350m for 900,000

> square feet. That's around ?388 per square foot.

>

> There's nothing in it, the slight additional cost

> is easily justified by the huge technical demands

> of outfitting communications technology for 20,000

> journalists.

>

> The hourly rate of a lawyer is irrelevant. The

> claim that fazer made is that the Olympics

> infrastructure was subject to to price gouging and

> over charging (and now the accusation of fraud)on

> behalf of contractors.

>

> In fact we are discovering that the prices,

> whether compared with the Shard or the Emirate

> stadium, are nothing of the sort.

>

> What's that smell?

Excellent now we're getting somewhere.

I'm more than happy to be proven to be wrong thank you for that information good work, a nice comparison.

The smell could be a personal thing you do appear to be getting rather angry and over reacting maybe causing you to perspire more than usual? Some deodorant or regular showering would sort it out.

If not maybe it a side affect of your rudeness filthy caustic breath or worst... Flatulence ?

Do calm down .

The only issue I've got with those numbers is sqft for sqft the shard given it's cutting edge build could easily cost twice as much to build per sqft when compared to the olympic media centre.

I wonder what will happen to the media centre once the Olympics / Paralympics are over?

Little point in continuing this it's impossible to prove over or under spend but the numbers speak for themselves when compared to other projects what have we got for our money?

In my book It isn't the equivalent to 17 shard towers.

In your book it's the equivalent or more.

What We can all see with total clarity is you are rude insulting and happy to use those traits before engaging your brain which is a pity, once your brain is engaged you achieve rather more impressive results. Although it appears to cause a smell.

Cheers

[fazer71]

Ahggg posting on this forum with an iPad is soooo annoying!

[Loz]

fazer71 Wrote:

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> Yes

> I know it shows what was spent.

> What exactly are you saying I'm missing ?

Then why do you keep quoting weird figures? The media centre did not cost the 1.2bn that you keep complaining about.

[fazer71]

The media centre village

Total Media Centre and Media Centre Village

estimate ?492 million

actual ?1.23 billion

I'm finished with this it's pointless.

[Huguenot]

That's not the media centre then is it?

You're just adding in bits and bobs until it gets to the figure that you like.

You don't know why the cost went up do you? Instead of finding out you've just christened them all liars and thieves. Bollocks.

Go and break that down and you'll discover that it all makes sense.

Just as you've discovered with everything else. The Emirates stadium bollocks, the Shard bollocks, it's all pointless bollocks.

[Undisputedtruth]

fazer71 Wrote:

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> The media centre village

> Total Media Centre and Media Centre Village

> estimate ?492 million

> actual ?1.23 billion

>

> I'm finished with this it's pointless.

The final cost of building the media centre was ?292m. You're right, it is pointless as you don't understand how the figure breaks down to its components. Substantial money was spent on acquiring the land, CPOs, compensations to local businesses, infrastructure, etc.

[Undisputedtruth]

The original Nov 07 estimates for building media centre and olympic village did not include village construction cost of ?707m. Receipts for Stratford City development plots were scaled down from ?250m to ?70m. It's quite easy to see where Fazer confused his figures.