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Hugu, you are much lucky if you live so nearby to visit that often. I havent even been to Veitnam once as yet! But i have been hearing alot about it being an amazing holiday destination, a mix of relaxing and adventurous vacation destination, so ill definitely be visiting there soon. Have you tried the Halong Bay crusies? Any specifics you recommend?

woodrot Wrote:

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> Huguenot Wrote:

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> > PS. Woodrot's downer on Singapore is personal.

> It

> > seems to be related to a crippling misanthropy

> > developed during an unsuccessful financial

> > career.

> >

> > I think he saw me criticising Dubai and it

> created

> > some sort of Pavlovian spite reflex to have a

> go

> > at Singapore.

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dont you have to take your teenage miniskirted g/f out shopping expat boy ?

Huguenot Wrote:

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> Yay! Vietnam

>

> Saigon or Hanoi are both must visits - Halong Bay

> is great for 2 days also, hill towns, fishing

> villages, the Mekong delta, beaches, loads to do

> and see, very nice people

>

> Excellent, excellent!

>

> I live down the road and go every few weeks :)



so did gary glitter.

That really unpleasant side to your rather slimy personality sneaks out very now and then doesn't it, Woodrot.


It's sour racist misogyny, where every Asian girl is a dirty hooker.


You can't get over your sneering, yet even as you say it, you regret it. You're aware that your behaviour and attitude is shameful and pathetic. You know you've soiled yourself.


I'm sorry you hang out with nasty people, it says more about you than Asia.


You're a sad small man, we all get it.


If you stop saying nasty things, you may start to be happy and proud of yourself. Try it.

Huguenot Wrote:

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> That really unpleasant side to your rather slimy

> personality sneaks out very now and then doesn't

> it, Woodrot.

>

> It's sour racist misogyny, where every Asian girl

> is a dirty hooker.

>

> You can't get over your sneering, yet even as you

> say it, you regret it. You're aware that your

> behaviour and attitude is shameful and pathetic.

> You know you've soiled yourself.

>

> I'm sorry you hang out with nasty people, it says

> more about you than Asia.

>

> You're a sad small man, we all get it.

>

> If you stop saying nasty things, you may start to

> be happy and proud of yourself. Try it.


tsk tsk tsk



3/10

Ignore 1000s of backpackers on their way out, or returning from on their gap year or post-graduation year, or doing a round the world.


Vietnam is sadly tourism by numbers nowadays (as in go through the list of tourist traps and book the tour).


Surely Bali is now full. Islands to the East quieter.


Sri Lanka is hopefully not quite yet over run by tourists - particularly if you go East or North


India is big enough that you can escape the hords.


Can't see the point of the Maldives.

That's not really fair.


Vietnam has a few package holiday venues, but mostly if you book hotels over the internet and rock up you'll have a great time away from the hordes.


Likewise in Bali, Seminyak and Kuta are the Ibiza of Australia, but the west coast and mountains are really enjoyable.


In India you'll be part of the crowd at the Taj Mahal, but if you get yourself a hotel in Delhi and rent a car and driver for 10 days you'll be able to do an incredible self guided tour of Rajahstan, staying in great havelis, that'll blow you away :)


The Maldives are like any other well heeled resort. It's got private villas, glass bottomed boats and 5 star restaurants. If you like that kind of thing you'll love it.


It's not realistic to aim for some kind of Victorian grand tour. Poor people are entitled to food, motor vehicles and the internet too. Poverty tourism is my bete noir.

re nam anyway


I havent been since USSR breakup days and can imagine things have changed a great deal - you could still buy French Dien Bein era Rolexes and omegas in the junk shops in Hanoi for a few USD. I may be going back fairly soon as it happens. I would urge anyone looking to travel in Nam to read Tim pages " derailed in uncle Ho's victory garden" as an interesting backgound to the Nam/CAm region - an ex Viet war photographer travels back - rather interesting insights to modern vietman vs memories of his experiences. Its out of print now, but worth tracking down.


I cannot recommed Cambodia enough though - its stunning and you get a real feel for a society rebuilding itself as you watch, its almost an experiment - the good and the bad are evident everywhere, but truly fascinating.

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