Unpleasant graffiti meets with a perfect ED response

[worldwiser]

Loving this at the entrance to some flats on Crawthew Grove

[Sue]

That's worrying that somebody here wrote that graffiti in the first place, though :(

[fishbiscuits]

Racist scum are everywhere.

South London is no exception, once you step out of the bubble.

[spark67]

People who write stuff like that are knuckle dragging idiots, no argument about it.

Just love the response though.

[edcam]

The inevitable fallout from bloody Brexit.

[Penguin68]

The inevitable fallout from bloody Brexit.

That's ridiculous - petty racists have been with us from long before (and continuing through) our membership of the EU and its predecessors. One grafitto, soundly mocked, is evidence of nothing. As the vast majority of local people were remainers I do not see ED as a hotbed of Brexit racism - quite a small part of why those who voted for Brexit did so. Or are you suggesting travelling graffitti artists from Brexit hotbeds?

Brexit may have been caused by racism (at least in part, perhaps, ish) but to see it as a cause of racism ('inevitable fallout', i.e. a consequence of...) is simply unsupported.

[Willard]

Penguin...

When people describe racists or indeed racism as "petty" then I'm afraid they're part of the problem.

Nobody suggested that ED is a hotbed of Brexit racism, you brought that into it. However, in terms of the evidence of Brexit normalising and leading to an increase in incidents of racism, how much more evidence do you need?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-48692863

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/07/28/subjected-racism-since-brexit-rest-career-altogether-former/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/20/racism-on-the-rise-since-brexit-vote-nationwide-study-reveals

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/baroness-warsi-on-brexit-and-racism-1-6477081

When you have a rightwing coup in Westminster, a racist in number 10 and scum like Farage, Yaxley-Lennon and Hopkins given the oxygen they crave by mainstream media, then yes it is inevitable.

[edcam]

I seem to have touched a nerve here. Of course racists have always been with us (and by the way, there is nothing "petty" about racism) but Brexit has emboldened them. That's obvious. I have no idea of the local figures re leave/remain voters but it only takes a few examples like this to encourage this kind of behaviour.

Brexit has brought out the worse in our national psyche.

Penguin68 Wrote:

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> The inevitable fallout from bloody Brexit.

>

> That's ridiculous - petty racists have been with

> us from long before (and continuing through) our

> membership of the EU and its predecessors. One

> grafitto, soundly mocked, is evidence of nothing.

> As the vast majority of local people were

> remainers I do not see ED as a hotbed of Brexit

> racism - quite a small part of why those who voted

> for Brexit did so. Or are you suggesting

> travelling graffitti artists from Brexit hotbeds?

>

> Brexit may have been caused by racism (at least in

> part, perhaps, ish) but to see it as a cause of

> racism ('inevitable fallout', i.e. a consequence

> of...) is simply unsupported.

[JohnL]

They need to stick to this sort of witticism (c/o sh*tlondon)

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10158145191119923&set=gm.10157553463323791&type=3&theater&ifg=1

[seenbeen]

Willard Wrote:

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> Penguin...

>

> When people describe racists or indeed racism as

> "petty" then I'm afraid they're part of the

> problem.

>

> Nobody suggested that ED is a hotbed of Brexit

> racism, you brought that into it. However, in

> terms of the evidence of Brexit normalising and

> leading to an increase in incidents of racism, how

> much more evidence do you need?

>

> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-48692863

> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/07/28/subjec

> ted-racism-since-brexit-rest-career-altogether-for

> mer/

> https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/20/raci

> sm-on-the-rise-since-brexit-vote-nationwide-study-

> reveals

> https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/baron

> ess-warsi-on-brexit-and-racism-1-6477081

>

>

> When you have a rightwing coup in Westminster, a

> racist in number 10 and scum like Farage,

> Yaxley-Lennon and Hopkins given the oxygen they

> crave by mainstream media, then yes it is

> inevitable.

A right wing coup- as opposed to a left wing coup? Hilarious

[Willard]

Ha nice. Love one of the comments: "After killing thousands of men women and children Boudicca was defeated and killed herself.

So there's hope."

JohnL Wrote:

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> They need to stick to this sort of witticism (c/o

> sh*tlondon)

>

> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1015814519

> 1119923&set=gm.10157553463323791&type=3&theater&if

> g=1

[Grove boy]

Willard Wrote:

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> Penguin...

>

> When people describe racists or indeed racism as

> "petty" then I'm afraid they're part of the

> problem.

>

> Nobody suggested that ED is a hotbed of Brexit

> racism, you brought that into it. However, in

> terms of the evidence of Brexit normalising and

> leading to an increase in incidents of racism, how

> much more evidence do you need?

>

> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-48692863

> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/07/28/subjec

> ted-racism-since-brexit-rest-career-altogether-for

> mer/

> https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/20/raci

> sm-on-the-rise-since-brexit-vote-nationwide-study-

> reveals

> https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/baron

> ess-warsi-on-brexit-and-racism-1-6477081

>

>

> When you have a rightwing coup in Westminster, a

> racist in number 10 and scum like Farage,

> Yaxley-Lennon and Hopkins given the oxygen they

> crave by mainstream media, then yes it is

> inevitable.

When the oppposition and it's leader are also anti -semitic/ racist it is indeed inevitable!

[Willard]

Can't argue with that either!

[Blah Blah]

People on the hard left don't tend to write graffiti on walls telling people to go back to their own country. Antisemitism is antisemitism, be it from the far right OR the hard left. Both should be condemned, as should racism and any other prejudice. Racism from one end does not become ok because the other extreme have their own issues. So ditch the whataboutery Grove Boy. Even better would be if you also acknowledged that xenophobia, whipped up by the likes of Farage and the far right, found its vehicle through Brexit. The emboldened hate against foreigners began the very next day after the referendum.

[fishbiscuits]

It is blindingly obvious that Brexit was largely motivated by an anti-immigration sentiment, and that the referendum result has only gone to embolden those who hold racist, xenophobic, or nationalist views.

Yes thankfully such views are in the minority round these parts, but clearly they do exist and always have done...

[Peckhampam]

A right wing coup in Westminster? Was that the general election?

[Chick]

> When the oppposition and it's leader are also anti

> -semitic/ racist it is indeed inevitable!

Execept Corbyn isn't and I'd say there is more racism and anti muslum feeling in the tories.

[fishbiscuits]

Corbyn racist? No. I'm not a fan of his policies by any stretch, but I think as a human, he's a good egg. Maybe he failed to understand the problem within the party, maybe he failed to take sufficiently strong action, but to call him a racist is insincere.

[Penguin68]

When people describe racists or indeed racism as "petty" then I'm afraid they're part of the problem.

That grafitto was petty - there are examples of racism that are far worse - by taking the view that there is no gradation of racism - that any racism is by definition 'the worst sort' you give license to the truly racist in society, by being able to claim that there are so many more like them. I have seen far worse racist slogans painted or scrawled on walls than what was illustrated, and read of far worse racist acts. You may consider that that slogan and the Mississippi lynchings are on the same curve (I might argue even about that), but to imply they are the same thing...!

I do realise that nuance is no longer an acceptable part of social-networking mob-speak - but when I compare society now to what it was like in the 1950s, when I was a child, I can assure you that, particularly in London, but in fact almost across the country, we are not a racist society - even though most of us are still aware of superficial racial/ cultural differences. Young people have written slogans on walls to offend however since they were able to write, without necessarily believing or understanding fully what they write.

I would also say that accusing all those (a majority of those who voted in the Referendum) of being racist is simply naive. You only have to see just how well (of course, badly) Farage's two parties have done in Parliamentary elections (let alone any of the far right proto-fascist parties) to realise that these are not attitudes which actually chime with the electorate. And the PM is quite clearly a social liberal, if you look at any of his actions or read his speeches and writings. It is only by defining being anti EU as being inherently fascist and racist that you make him so. And I would remind you that Jeremy Corbyn and the Marxist left have been anti-EU since the first EEC referendum. Does that make them inherently fascist and racist?

[Penguin68]

Corbyn racist? No. I'm not a fan of his policies by any stretch, but I think as a human, he's a good egg. Maybe he failed to understand the problem within the party, maybe he failed to take sufficiently strong action, but to call him a racist is insincere

Corbyn unequivocally supports Hamas - whose clear aim is 'to sweep the Jews into the sea' - many of Hamas's main players are on record as being in favour of a 'final' solution' to the Israel problem and are unequivocal anti-semites. He does not therefore support Al Fatah (the political wing of the PLO, formerly led by Yasser Arafat, who reached the Oslo accords and who are in favour of a 2 state solution). I find it interesting that of the two Palestinian groups it is the one which wishes to remove Jews from the Middle East which gets his support. 'Removing Jews' has a bit of history behind it. I am sure many Jews are his best friends (but probably not ones who believe in a Jewish State or the rights of Jews to live in one).

[pk]

Penguin68 Wrote:

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>

> I can assure you that, particularly in London, but in fact almost

> across the country, we are not a racist society -

> even though most of us are still aware of

> superficial racial/ cultural differences.

what an ignorant and arrogant thing to say!

[One Dulwich]

Penguin68 Wrote:

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> Corbyn unequivocally supports Hamas

Except he doesn't.

[edcam]

Penguin68 Wrote:

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And the PM is quite clearly a social liberal, if you look at any

> of his actions or read his speeches and writings.

Johnson is a proven racist.

[Penguin68]

The only reference I can find showing Corbyn in any way sympathetic to the PLO is in his alleged attendance at a memorial service to commemorate the deaths of those responsible for the Munich massacres (the PLO when that was the only real Palestinian organisation in the game). In everything else it is Hamas whose meetings he has attended, whose members he has invited to address meetings (and with whom he has shared platforms) and whose proscription he has voted against. Hamas and Fatah are broadly at daggers drawn, you support one against the other. As Corbyn has done. He is also of the opinion that voicing and believing that a Jewish State should not exist in Palestine is not in and of itself antisemitic. Which is, at the least, debatable. But is the Hamas (but not the Fatah) view.

[lindylou]

Penguin68 do you deny that Corbyn is an IRA sympathiser? Whilst I agree that the graffiti was disgusting, I've not seen one post on here, ever, condemning the Asian grooming gangs which are predominantly against white girls. Racism is a two way train.