Delinquent centre opening on rye lane!

[JohnL]

Tesco Rye Lane requires a permanent doorman and between that and 255 Rye Lane is a Ladbrokes betting shop.

Why didn't they consult the residents first about how this might be done as this isn't going to work without massive security - what happens when dealers start hanging around ?.

[tasha1]

Thanks for the link JohnL. This is fantastic. The waiting list for Child and Adolescent Mental Health Services are currently 12 months and to have a drop in service is excellent. The one in Lambeth works incredibly well. Please remember that people with mental health conditions are 4 times more likely to be a victim of crime, not a perpetrator. We are also talking low level mental health issues. Why would constant security guards be required for a service that promotes health to our young people?

[Blah Blah]

JohnL, Rye Lane IS a retail area. The clue is in that it is full of shops, bars and other retail space. Yes the premises in question might be at the bottom end of that space, but nonetheless, it is still part of Rye Lane. And FYI Rye Lane has been a retail area for at least 100 years.

You might also be surprised to find that plenty of vulnerable people already do live around you. You even back onto a council estate (shock horror) where some teenage offenders actually live.

No surprise either that you complain about a snooker hall/ club that has also been there for a longer time than you.

And you might also be surprised to find that most shop chains have security doormen. You really must get out more.

[JohnL]

Don't get my moans wrong Tasha - I moan at everything I don't know but if it works great. It's better to moan at first and be pleasantly surprised than be enthusiastic and disappointed.

Re: security - everyone around here seems to want to have a piece of everything - if our main flat doors are left open people come in just to see what they can find - meaning you'll get loads of different people walking in if it's open.

[Blah Blah]

So it is not a young offenders center that is being opened there, but a center to help young people with mental health services. The two are entirely different things. The latter absolutely should be welcomed.

[Blah Blah]

And who is leaving the main doors to your flats open? Sounds as though you have more of an issue with other residents than anything going on outside. And the presumption that any young person going to the center would just walk into your building is quite frankly offensive. Anyone up to no good can already do that if the door is left open.

[SpringTime]

The title of the thread can now be changed to suit the center, which should be very welcome.

[Christine cooper]

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[JohnL]

Blah Blah Wrote:

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> And who is leaving the main doors to your flats

> open? Sounds as though you have more of an issue

> with other residents than anything going on

> outside. And the presumption that any young person

> going to the center would just walk into your

> building is quite frankly offensive. Anyone up to

> no good can already do that if the door is left

> open.

You've got me wrong - I'm talking about the center being cuckolded by other young people - I mean Zone2 etc. .

Anyway I'm out of this - more drunks shouting last night - some boy punching a street sign repeatedly. I might join the exodus from Co-Op House - So many people waiting to sell once the issues with cladding are sorted.

[JohnL]

I will certainly start 101'ing all the anti-social incidents around here mind you because it's getting me down.

[JohnL]

Back to my more rational debate anyway (after very little sleep last night lol). Hours of use are OK for me - don't forget what scares me is 'gangs' hanging around outside all night - its difficult to justify my concerns without putting myself in the front line and I won't do that.

HOURS OF USE

The use hereby permitted for the proposed health centre; purposes shall not be carried

on outside of the hours of:

0900hrs - 1900hrs; on Monday to Fridays;

0900hrs - 1300hrs; on Saturdays, and;

0900hrs - 1300hrs; on Sundays and Bank Holidays.

Reason:

To safeguard the amenities of neighbouring residential properties in accordance with The National Planning Policy Framework 2019, Strategic Policy 13 High environmental standards of The Core Strategy 2011 and Saved Policy 3.2 Protection of Amenity of The Southwark Plan 2007.

[Blah Blah]

You live in a dense urban area John. There is always going to be antisocial behaviour around bars and pubs. Those bars and pubs have been there for a long time. Not saying you should have to put up with it, but expecting peace and quiet around that kind of sector is just not realistic.

And having already insulted young people with low level mental health problems, you now conflate them with 'gangs'? Really?

[JohnL]

Blah Blah Wrote:

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> And having already insulted young people with low

> level mental health problems, you now conflate

> them with 'gangs'? Really?

No you still miss my point - I quote "In council briefing papers it is envisaged as looking like a ?cross between a Starbucks and Apple store?. It will also have an open access policy.

Gang types (and I don't mean valid users of the service) will be drawn to that like a moth to a flame unless there's a plan to stop that happening (like a security guard).

They really want to make something nice with a nice atmosphere for 15 - 25 year olds (or younger) by the sound of it - but that is just what will attract others. If anyone saw the BBC show "don't get mad - get even" they had a sort of teenage hangout and I see that as exactly what the council sees for this space.

[Blah Blah]

I think you are not understanding the service these types of centers offer. The people staffing will be qualified health and youth service professionals. You can't treat all young people as though they are likely to misbehave in some way.

[JohnL]

Anyway the upshot of it is - if my concerns were met before this came out I wouldn't be here talking about it and I'd love for a well run center with a nice space to work for the community around here (I originally thought it was for Uxbridge due to a link I followed).

[JohnL]

Blah Blah Wrote:

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> I think you are not understanding the service

> these types of centers offer. The people staffing

> will be qualified health and youth service

> professionals. You can't treat all young people as

> though they are likely to misbehave in some way.

Well I'm going to give it the benefit of the doubt - they are professionals like you say.

[seenbeen]

How would a person, especially a young person, recognise that they have 'low level mental health problems'? Surely the schools or the family would be best placed to recognise a change in someone, or that they were moving towards depression and therefore the funds would be better spent in schools or the borough child psychology department.

[Blah Blah]

Even if a mental health issue is identified at school, it would still be referred to an outside agency for treatment.

[TE44]

https://www.together-uk.org/southwark-wellbeing-hub/the-directory/9021/groundwork-london/

Groundwork also run a wellbeing hub in peckham.

[Pugwash]

As a trustee to a counselling charity who specialised in preventative mental health work with children and young people, we were initially funded by a local council and then the Clinical Commissioning group. Last year the CCG decided that they were reducing funding for all counselling organisations in the borough which offered more than 6 weeks support. This has led to staff redundancies, long waiting lists and heightened stress for those who are seeking support. Schools are finding money out of their diminished budgets to pay for a counsellor for a few hours per week to help vulnerable children/young people and their families. Talking to one counsellor, I was told that the Government's response is that all teachers need to have additional training in mental health issues (paid for out of school budget)so that they can 'double up' on the work they do!!.

I think this centre is a good idea.