Cost of sash windows

[fazer71]

Best of luck..

3 men 2 windows in one day you need it.

[KidKruger]

fazer you appear to be a talented guy, you know more about wooden box sash windows than people who've owned and maintained them for years and even those that make and fit them.

Impressive.

[fazer71]

Cheers I guess I am.

I've owned maintained and repaired them for years on the various flats I've lived in (between work contracts) when I've had the time. The original Victorian ones are really very simple to repair in my last flat I removed an aluminium window which had been screwed into the old boxes. I had a couple of sliders made and glazed for ?80 and bought some parting bead sash cord etc and cobbled it all back together and painted them too lovely job as good as new and worked perfectly.

In my current flat I could have done the same but I'm sick of DIY and painting so I just went with replacing the rubbish that was there with upvc at just under ?500 fitted great value and they look absolutely fine with all the benefits of double glazing a traditional look they were great value a lot less effort and less cost over rest of my life though I'm unlikely to be there for more than another 12 months.

I've seen the expensive hard wood timber ones at ?2k and yes some are impressive but total over kill IMHO.

If you've got a ?3mil house in Chelsea and money is no object then go for it.

If you've got a ?250k flat in ED and you're earning just enough to pay the mortgage and one holiday a year then maybe not.

Sometimes less is more ?sensible?.

The new gen upvc sash look almost as good as the original timber ones

At least we?re not talking about the crap casement upvc which is on almost every other house in ED.

I?m not inclined to get sucked into unnecessary indulgence except where it comes to things which will make a real difference to my life and I don?t have money to throw away.

It's just my opinion.

[Chillaxed]

I have UPVC windows and don't like 'em. Don't want to revive the argument above, just don't like the aesthetics of them. And can't justify the cost of having them replaced.

So, being a cheap bugger, I wondered whether I could slap some paint on them, deliberately sloppily, in an effort to make them look 'rough' like wooden windows and less like brand new UPVC ones? My main gripe is that the white paint on the rest of the original window frame deteriorates as it does, but the UPVC windows remain gleaming white. So I'm not looking to make my plastic windows look wooden, just less discordant with the rest of the house.

Thanks,

Chillaxed

[fazer71]

If you use a UPVC primer, you can then apply topcoats of traditional paint.

Just google upvc primer.

or try this .

http://www.kolorbond.co.uk/index.html

[red devil]

Can you post a pic of a typical window Chill?

Personally I wouldn't do it, I reckon it'll just look like really badly painted uPVC windows...

[Chillaxed]

Will take a pic tonight, ta.

[fazer71]

My sash windows are covered by net roller blind or Venetian blind 99% of the time.

If they were wood they'd also be covered by roller or Venetian.

And At night I don't look at them as I'm either asleep of they have curtains pulled across.

Fact is who looks at their windows ?

To most most people ...

They're pretty much fit a forget...

Or am I odd?

[fazer71]

red devil Wrote:

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> Can you post a pic of a typical window Chill?

> Personally I wouldn't do it, I reckon it'll just

> look like really badly painted uPVC windows...

You could have a specialist painter marble them then they would look like they're made of marble, ,,,,,

Lol

[KidKruger]

You are odd, but not for the reasons you think.

[fazer71]

I looked up my recipt for anyone interested.

I've got sash version with the horns and chrome fittings they now do other finishes too.

They have an online pricing system.

http://quickslide.co.uk/

[DulwichDeviant]

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[Undisputedtruth]

UPVC windows is a bit like m&s clothes. Both promises a lot in terms of style and value but are clearly hideous and only suitable for the landfill.

[fazer71]

DulwichDeviant Wrote:

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> Clearly you have no taste.

> UPVC THE WORLD.

> Tasteless people should stay well away from the

> property game.

>

> The op asked for advice on costof box sash

> windows. Not a debate on Chavvy Upvc

>

> You keep refering too UPVC box sash ?

> Do you even know the correct end your body poo's

> from.

> It appears to becoming from the wrong orifice here

> !

> Poor original poster asked for cost on a box sash

> price then the thread got hijacked by your views

> on cheap and chearful. No wonder the question

> never got answered !

>

> Box Sash Upvc should be made illegal they are

> hideous !

Wtf are you talking about ? Poo you fookin twat.

The question was answered clearly he can pay ?1000 for softwood ?2000 for hard wood or ?500 for Upvc.

have you even seen the new upvc ones ?

[fazer71]

Undisputedtruth Wrote:

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> UPVC windows is a bit like m&s clothes. Both

> promises a lot in terms of style and value but are

> clearly hideous and only suitable for the

> landfill.

Yes not Armani but more that capable of doing the job.

Our council tax money is being spent on renewing windows on council flats and houses would you want Southwark to install ?2,000 timber sash or the ?500 Upvc ones. .? Even if that council flat or house was nextdoor to me I know I'd rather they put in the Upvc.

In an ideal world timber sash would be ?700 and a new paint would mean paint them once . But the reality is its ?1000+ and probably the same ageing in maintance over 15-20 years and ongoing.....

Have you seen the new Upvc sash windows?

[DulwichDeviant]

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[fazer71]

What a complete Snob if UPVC is good enough for council housing it's good enough for me.

Especially as the upvc sash windows I'm talking about look almost idential to the timber ones.

I believe 10-15% of the Victorian houses in ED are owned by Southwark or a related Housing association. So many council homes are lovely Victorian terraced houses.

Our Tax money pays for their maintenance

My previous flat Southwark were the Freeholder and also leaseholder of the other flat in the lovel victorian house.

I don?t think having Southwark wasting tax payer money on expensive Timber windows and all the expense of the continual maintenance is a particularly good idea.

[TonyQuinn]

The snobbery on this thread provides further evidence of how Dulwich has gone to the dogs the last ten years. We got some great Upvc windows from Bespoke Windows. They work for us, they work for our Victorian house and they work for our street. Those who don't think so...bugger off back to Clapham.

[*Bob*]

Yeah, well said, Tony. These bloody Clapham incomers with their damned wooden windows. Sheesh!

Back to Russia.

[Undisputedtruth]

TQ,

It's got nothing to snobbery but rather well developed good taste. Not everyone have good taste and are easily succumbed to marketing rather than making an informed choice.

UPVC windows are the equivalent in pebble dashing a period property.

[KidKruger]

woooah hold on - slightly polarised here.

Some people have a car which could be younger, more efficient, have better longevity, but they choose according to what they can afford (presumably), some people may drive the recommended type of car, but prefer to spend on the detail of how they keep their house/flat, if they can afford it.

This Clapham shit is a little over the top, having sash windows made out of wood does not denote some kind of grandeur.

Some people have flash cinema set-ups, gadgets all over the place, whatever - does that mean they are from Clapham too because they are blowing money, not even to try and look after their house.

You know what, if you've earned the dough or want to take out a loan to pay for bloody windows, and some knob says they must be UPVC or it means you come from Clapham, surely you'd say, don't be stupid.

[JOINERY]

In answer JT76 question yes that quote is a tad on the expensive side.

To fazer71, please pass me the details of the company that?s fitting fully treated. Fully sprayed, fully draught proofed, argon K glass, all making good, new architraves & bull nosing, new fittings, new weights, for the all inclusive price of a ?1000.00 I will give them loads to do.

Also with regards you?re continuing debate as to the best value for money & longevity, please read what the experts from the school of engineering found out. http://www.cibse.org/pdfs/Masif.pdf

You will see they found in favour of timber, not to mention that they found PVC contributes large amounts of poisonous pollutants throughout its life cycle, while timber window frames have the least environmental burdens.

Or if you don?t believe them, then maybe this one http://www.greenpeace.org.uk/media/reports/pvc-u-or-timber-windows-which-is-best

May be that?s why I today received a request to price for new timber windows for nine blocks in Tower hamlets.

The only thing I will agree with, is they have come a long way as regards looks, but to call them identical is a bit over board !

[fazer71]

Who said they were identical?

Greenpeace don't factor in the ongoing maintenance the www.cibse.org article correctly says timber have the highest cost in terms of maintenance.

UPVC 25 year v conservative more like 40 years. When was that written looks like 1998 things have moved on...

If they do last the 40 years (v conservative) then they recommend painting every 5 years with inflation that?s scaffolding at ?1k every time with inflation every 5 years at 5% that?ll be

Year

5 ?1000

10 ?1050

15 ?1102.5

20 ?1157.625

25 ?1215.50625

30 ?1276.281563

35 ?1340.095641

Y 40 rip em out and replace them?

So Scaffolding ALONE !!!!!!!! Total ? 8142.008

When you factor in the fuel energy cost and the paint delivery production and delivery cost and the decorator energy and travel cost.

The UPVC = the lowest impact on the environment.

Who are these idiots who work out these environmental impact calculations.

Let?s add the cost of the decorator and the paint

Year

5 ?800

10 ?840

15 ?882

20 ?926.1

25 ?972.405

30 ?1021.02525

35 ?1072.076513

Paint and decorator ?6513.606763

So total maintenance for timber windows on the front of a regular Victorian house (not the rear) is ?14,655.614. And you have to put up with all that AGRO?..

Upvc is ?0. And zero agro?.

[fazer71]

BPF slams attack on PVC-U windows

By Hamish Champ

Posted 3 May 2012

The British Plastics Federation (BPF) has labelled as ?inaccurate? an article in the Financial Times which suggests PVC-U windows are damaging the planet.

Writing in the FT, Dr Simon Thurley, chief executive of English Heritage, said PVC-U windows caused ?serious damage? to the cultural value of historic town and village centres.

He wrote that an estate agent survey in 2009 found house prices could be depressed by the installation of PVC-U windows and doors, some of which had been fitted illegally.

?Research has now shown that the energy savings generated by PVC-U windows will never cover their capital cost because most have a life of less than 20 years,? Thurley further claimed.

The BPF hit back, arguing that organisations such as the Building Research Establishment had put the lifetime figure at a minimum of 35 years.

Nor was any credit given to PVC-U window?s energy efficient characteristics, the trade body said.

Describing the article as ?misleading?, the BPF said it had written to both Thurley and the FT to state the material?s case.

In a statement the BPF said: ?The unfortunate article alleged that most PVC-U windows had a life expectancy of only 20 years and that consumers installing PVC-U windows were ?damaging the planet?.

?To permeate the text with more misinformation, the article says that PVC-U windows are ?instantly recognisable because they cannot imitate historic mouldings, glazing bars and proportions?.

?The BPF has written to Dr Thurley pointing out the inaccuracies of his article, with details including case studies of successfully installed PVC-U windows where heritage designs were required,? it concluded.

[*Bob*]

You, a ladder, a pot of paint. Maintenance cost = not much! Think our total sash spend in 15 years has been about ?1500.. and two thirds of that was getting a few working that had never opened since the house was built.

Surely this bizarre thread can't go on.

Nobody in their right mind would agree that PVC looks as nice as wood.

Nobody in their right mind would disagree that PVC is easier and cheaper.

Stir into the mix how much you care, how much you can afford, how much you can or want to do yourself.. it's your house.. do what you like!