EU Trade Talks Thread

[Sephiroth]

So, as per, brexit remains undefinable.

Got it.

It occasionally hoves into view, at which point brexiteers come over all funny and vague and use weird language

But actually define what might be a good outcome? God forbid

[Sephiroth]

The thing is...

Keano (and people like him)

They won. They enjoy that fact. It doesn?t make them happy. Nothing does for long. (Have you SEEN how angry they have been for last 4 years)

But it?s something to cling to

Pleasure is only ever fleeting. So tweaking remainer noses will do. It?s a plentiful supply after all. Loads of ?em. And they lost. Ha ha

But he knows. They know.

They are terrified of what they have done

Can?t admit it. And certainly never here. Probably never even to themselves.

Far easier to dismiss posts like this. And he will

But in bed. At night. They know

And he and they are damned because of it

[keano77]

I?ve said this before Sephiroth but the EU you?ve tried so valiantly to defend for the past six years doesn?t exist.

The world has changed. Every country or group of nations faces an uncertain future, especially now, post Covid.

Yes, I admit I do make a nuisance of myself popping Remainers? self-righteous notions of being the ones with all the correct answers but you?re up for it.

One thing I?m certain of, whatever outcome we arrive at a good number of people will be unhappy.

[j.a.]

keano77 Wrote:

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> Shakes head in disbelief of my obsequious fellows

To whom, exactly?

[j.a.]

keano77 Wrote:

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> Yes, I admit I do make a nuisance of myself

> popping Remainers? self-righteous notions of being

> the ones with all the correct answers but you?re

> up for it.

That?s all well and good, but there?s a certain amount of pot calling the kettle black there.

>

> One thing I?m certain of, whatever outcome we

> arrive at a good number of people will be unhappy.

This is very true.

[Sephiroth]

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One thing I?m certain of, whatever outcome we arrive at a good number of people will be unhappy?

Something we agree on.

But your first point about the eu is delusional. Countries do face uncertain futures. Pooled strength will be worth more than go alone small countries. Being part of the eu doesn?t guarantee a certain future and never did.

As I hear from leavers all the time - uk was worlds something?th best economy (I mean that is slipping since Brexit. Obvs) but it manages to make top 5 whilst ?unable to Make its own laws?. Amazing stuff

But I see you are now going with the tired ?eu will collapses or disintegrate? trope

Or ?whistling in the dark?. Because the dark is what you know even if it isn?t your friend

[keano77]

Well put it like this.

This country that you have spent six years trashing has enabled you to make a handsome sum on your property and move out to West Sussex, has educated your children, looked after their health and is currently paying a large part of the wages of millions of furloughed workers who would otherwise be destitute and homeless.

Not bad for a country ?With its arse hanging out? as you would have it.

[Sephiroth]

That has all happened IN the EU

It?s East Sussex

I had been renting for years in London before moving here

The U.K. furlough scheme is about to end (unlike several eu countries which have extended their schemes until 2021)

Other countries have education and health schemes.

What the hell damn point do you think you are making????

[Sephiroth]

I mean everything keano says in last post could equally apply to the many thousands of English people living in Ireland

But you don?t hear many Irish people wanging on about it like it?s some kind of super power. Or wanting to leave the eu in order to... what? Still. No one knows.

[Sephiroth]

We have a lot of English people applying for Irish passports in last couple of years

Irish people applying for British passports? Not so much

Now. Why would that be?

[keano77]

Sephiroth Wrote:

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> I had been renting for years in London before

> moving here

> Re: Buy to let mortgages and renting flats for income -

anyone got experience of this?

Posted by Sephiroth September 03, 07:27PM

...I have been a landlord. I let my flat whilst I rented a house in a interim position.

We need landlords and we need rental property. But rather than hold on to my flat and expect tenants to pay me ever more money, I sold the place...

My point is you and your family have done well out of this country and good luck to you. But to consistently try to put the country down, Eu good, UK bad is a bit silly don?t you think

[Sephiroth]

It really isn?t. All countries provide basics and usually accept some immigration. There isn?t any special gratitude required for it. You havent answered any of my points

But you have posted a potted history of my life without any reference to timeline so you have no idea

I came to this country. I work. I pay tax.

If I did the same in Yugoslavia but saw what was about to happen would I be wrong for pointing it out?

Why do you want gratitude? Face the problems you are creating

Given the history of what this country has done to Ireland I would pipe down if I were you about telling people to be grateful.

[j.a.]

I?ve never understood why people who criticise aspects of the UK?s courses of action are accused of putting the country down, like no one is allowed to have a negative opinion of one aspect of life here while having positive opinions of another?

Oh, wait, now I get it.

[keano77]

You?ve missed several hundreds posts j.a.. You?ve got a lot to catch up on.

[Sephiroth]

I?m genuinely pleased to be a lightning rod for keanos id- someone he can distract himself with. Save him from the horrors of his own thoughts when he isn?t tormenting remainers.

He can?t look at or listen to those thoughts any more. They hurt him so

Must. Distract. Must. Believe.

[Sephiroth]

You?re the one with outstanding homework keano. Leave ja out of it.

Why are English people applying for Irish passports in records numbers - many of them leave voters?

[pk]

keano77 Wrote:

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> The world has changed. Every country or group of

> nations faces an uncertain future, especially now,

> post Covid.

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Doesn?t sound like a good time to be exiting trade arrangements with your closest neighbours with nothing to replace them

[Sephiroth]

Come come pk- we have that Japanese deal rolled over

Well...I say we have that deal. Japanese parliament has to vote on it so let?s see. Our mps won?t get to. So much democracy. So much control

And so much fuss over a deal that is worth so little to uk economy. Easy enough for Japanese to say ?sure. Whatevs?

[keano77]

Sorry folks, had to break off for last night of the proms.

Not an EU flag to be seen this year. Maybe the people who handed out free EU flags outside the Royal Albert Hall in former years are all on furlough now, happy to take the UK shilling. There must be warehouses full of EU flags somewhere.

Anyway, where were we?

[Sephiroth]

?Where were we?

You were avoiding answering any questions as per

Let?s stick with the one. Why are English people, including leavers, applying for Irish passports in numbers ?

[j.a.]

keano77 Wrote:

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> You?ve missed several hundreds posts j.a.. You?ve

> got a lot to catch up on.

I?ve read the whole thread. You?re quite the pompous prick, and you?ve been avoiding questions for the whole shebang so far.

Like I say, I see you.

[Sephiroth]

Be fair j.a

It?s in the job description. No leaver has managed (in 4 years) to answer any question in any meaningful way so why would keano be different

[Sephiroth]

Keano pretends to be enjoying this

But in the dark tonight. When he can?t sleep

He knows. He knows

[keano77]

All sorts of reasons. British people who can claim Irish ancestry can have the best of both worlds. Independent Britain and unfettered access to the EU. Especially useful if you have a second home/holiday home abroad or wish to work in the EU I would have thought.

[j.a.]

*Here?s* the point............................................................aaaaaand *here?s* Keano doing his best to avoid it and appear like a jovial sort who?s simply enjoying sparring with those silly childish Remainers.

The ?oh I?m sure it?ll all be alright in the end chaps, you?re being melodramatic, let?s not worry about it, smart men are on the case? view of things is filled with hubris. But if it makes you happy, who am I to take that away from you in these weird times. Enjoy. While you can.