EU Trade Talks Thread

[keano77]

I see you?ve all avoided the question why are these boat people paying big bucks to gangsters to risk their lives in overcrowded kiddies? dinghies to try to get to Britain rather than stay in the EU?

Fair enough, you don?t know and cut and pasted statistics don?t help either.

Some might call that ignorance

[diable rouge]

The boat people you referred to are economic migrants who probably have more money in their pockets than you or I.

This post was brought to you by Keano Productions - Embarrassing himself since June 2016...

[Sephiroth]

"I see you?ve all avoided the question why are these boat people paying big bucks to gangsters to risk their lives in overcrowded kiddies? dinghies to try to get to Britain rather than stay in the EU?"

I see you haven't read my posts above

[diable rouge]

AllLivesMatter!...errrr, except the darkies in the dinghies...

[keano77]

diable rouge Wrote:

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> AllLivesMatter!...errrr, except the darkies in the

> dinghies...

Those words say a lot about you DR.

My view is if people are prepared to risk their lives to come to Britain let them in. They have shown determination, tenacity and drive and a belief in Britain sadly missing in the country today.

In fact I?d operate a one in two out policy. One migrant in, two whinging Remainers who?ve been putting Britain down out.

🙂

[Alan Medic]

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> Those words say a lot about you DR.

You don't get sarcasm keano?

[pk]

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> You don't get sarcasm keano?

i don't think that sarcasm is a good reason to use racially offensive terms

[Blah Blah]

Why do people pay huge amounts to people traffickers? Because they are desperate to find a better life.

If we are talking about economic migrants, often the money is scraped together by an entire family, just to get one person into a country where they can earn money they can send back. Others borrow the money and then end up as economic slaves of the traffickers. All of that is a reflection of the economic failure of the country of origin.

Others however, are fleeing torture, persecution, violence, war, genuine threat to life. Personal means are irrelevant in those cases.

There are more of us on the planet with diminishing resources. The climate is changing and the ability for people to live in a lot of places is going to change with it. While we have great inequalities between nations, there will continue to be illegal migration.

[keano77]

True Blah Blah.

[keano77]

TheCat Wrote:

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> It's not just these migrants taking a view on UK

> versus EU nations....apparently the heads of some

> mult-national business's too....

>

> https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/mainland-europ

> e-is-finally-coming-to-terms-with-brexit

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> I expect it probably becuase they're all just

> ill-informed though....

It might not be that easy though TheCat

?11bn Dutch 'departure tax' could derail Unilever plans

Consumer goods giant may abandon the proposed unification of its Anglo-Dutch structure if a tax bill is passed by Dutch MPs

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/08/10/11bn-dutch-departure-tax-could-derail-unilever-plans/

I suppose you can?t blame the Dutch for being desperate to hold onto a multinational success story

[TheCat]

keano77 Wrote:

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> > It's not just these migrants taking a view on

> UK

> > versus EU nations....apparently the heads of

> some

> > mult-national business's too....

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> https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/mainland-europ

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> > e-is-finally-coming-to-terms-with-brexit

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> > I expect it probably becuase they're all just

> > ill-informed though....

>

> It might not be that easy though TheCat

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> ?11bn Dutch 'departure tax' could derail Unilever

> plans

>

> Consumer goods giant may abandon the proposed

> unification of its Anglo-Dutch structure if a tax

> bill is passed by Dutch MPs

>

> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/08/10/11

> bn-dutch-departure-tax-could-derail-unilever-plans

> /

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> I suppose you can?t blame the Dutch for being

> desperate to hold onto a multinational success

> story

Yeah...a pretty desperate move by the Dutch left....it's possible, but be surprised if a) it's legal, and b) it passes.....but that's a relatively uninformed opinion, so stranger things have happened.

The point here from the article is that a number of businesses are seeing some attraction in being based in post-brexit Britain. So perhaps the country won't be the basket case that some have been worried about. Of course, as the article alludes to, final negotiations with EU will govern the end result.

As an aside, imagine the remainer outrage and derision if Boris implemented a punitive tax policy to stop companies leaving the UK?....it would be painted as desperate and pathetic attempt to stop the tidal wave of companies wanting to leave brexit Britain.....

[KidKruger]

"...it would be painted as desperate and pathetic attempt to stop the tidal wave of companies wanting to leave brexit Britain....."

But The Cat that's exactly what it would be, no ?!

[pk]

TheCat Wrote:

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> Yeah...a pretty desperate move by the Dutch

> left....it's possible, but be surprised if a) it's

> legal, and b) it passes.....but that's a

> relatively uninformed opinion, so stranger things

> have happened.

>

> The point here from the article is that a number

> of businesses are seeing some attraction in being

> based in post-brexit Britain. So perhaps the

> country won't be the basket case that some have

> been worried about. Of course, as the article

> alludes to, final negotiations with EU will govern

> the end result.

>

> As an aside, imagine the remainer outrage and

> derision if Boris implemented a punitive tax

> policy to stop companies leaving the UK?....it

> would be painted as desperate and pathetic attempt

> to stop the tidal wave of companies wanting to

> leave brexit Britain.....

so it's fine for you to call the Dutch desperate

but it'd be wrong to call Boris desparate if he did the same thing?

[JohnL]

We nationalised British Steel and I hear we are thinking of nationalising Tata Steel (UK) - Port Talbot. We wouldn't allow those jobs to then go abroad.

(nothing wrong with that as a country needs steel)

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-tata-steel-floats-plan-for-government-to-take-900m-port-talbot-stake-12036038

There isn't much difference between carrot (large investment) and stick (punitive taxes) here ?

[JohnL]

We also all know money was promised to Nissan as Sunderland was so political - and of course the government denied it at the time

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/04/government-letter-to-nissan-reveals-brexit-promise-to-carmarkers

[TheCat]

pk Wrote:

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> >

> > Yeah...a pretty desperate move by the Dutch

> > left....it's possible, but be surprised if a)

> it's

> > legal, and b) it passes.....but that's a

> > relatively uninformed opinion, so stranger

> things

> > have happened.

> >

> > The point here from the article is that a

> number

> > of businesses are seeing some attraction in

> being

> > based in post-brexit Britain. So perhaps the

> > country won't be the basket case that some have

> > been worried about. Of course, as the article

> > alludes to, final negotiations with EU will

> govern

> > the end result.

> >

> > As an aside, imagine the remainer outrage and

> > derision if Boris implemented a punitive tax

> > policy to stop companies leaving the UK?....it

> > would be painted as desperate and pathetic

> attempt

> > to stop the tidal wave of companies wanting to

> > leave brexit Britain.....

>

> so it's fine for you to call the Dutch desperate

>

> but it'd be wrong to call Boris desparate if he

> did the same thing?

nope...both desperate in my book, whoever made such a move. Just flagging that I don't see a host of remainers coming out to label the dutch as desperate, and discussing the implications of such a move...whereas I believe they would be joyous slating the UK govt if it was the other way around....

But thanks (once again) for your lack of any original ideas or comments.

[TheCat]

KidKruger Wrote:

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> "...it would be painted as desperate and pathetic

> attempt to stop the tidal wave of companies

> wanting to leave brexit Britain....."

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> But The Cat that's exactly what it would be, no ?!

yes it would. Totally agree.

to clarify....Comment is more noting the lack of any comment from any remainer commentators criticising the deperation of the dutch making this move. And what it might suggest about the relative attractiveness of the UK post brexit.

[pk]

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> > both desperate in my book, whoever made

> such a move. Just flagging that I don't see a host

> of remainers coming out to label the dutch as

> desperate, and discussing the implications of such

> a move...whereas I believe they would be joyous

> slating the UK govt if it was the other way

> around....

>

Perhaps remainers are rightly more interested in UK affairs then

Dutch affairs

Thanks for the snipe tho

[pk]

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> > "...it would be painted as desperate and

> pathetic

> > attempt to stop the tidal wave of companies

> > wanting to leave brexit Britain....."

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> > But The Cat that's exactly what it would be, no

> ?!

>

> yes it would. Totally agree.

>

> to clarify....Comment is more noting the lack of

> any comment from any remainer commentators

> criticising the deperation of the dutch making

> this move. And what it might suggest about the

> relative attractiveness of the UK post brexit.

So you?re criticising people for not criticising a foreign government in relation to something that you admit you have a ?relatively uninformed opinion? on

What?a the point of that?

[TheCat]

you're right - nothing happening in the EU has any bearing on what happens here in the UK does it? because that hasn't been the entire discussion for the past 4 years has it? you do make me laugh, i'll give you that.

[pk]

TheCat Wrote:

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> you're right - nothing happening in the EU has

> any bearing on what happens here in the UK does

> it? because that hasn't been the entire discussion

> for the past 4 years has it? you do make me laugh,

> i'll give you that.

so why are you so happy to express opinions you know are ill-informed?

[TheCat]

pk Wrote:

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> > you're right - nothing happening in the EU has

> > any bearing on what happens here in the UK does

> > it? because that hasn't been the entire

> discussion

> > for the past 4 years has it? you do make me

> laugh,

> > i'll give you that.

>

> so why are you so happy to express opinions you

> know are ill-informed?

Give it up mate. Your desire to 'get one' over me is a bit pathetic, and you're embarrassing yourself now.

[pk]

TheCat Wrote:

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> has

> > > any bearing on what happens here in the UK

> does

> > > it? because that hasn't been the entire

> > discussion

> > > for the past 4 years has it? you do make me

> > laugh,

> > > i'll give you that.

> >

> > so why are you so happy to express opinions you

> > know are ill-informed?

>

> Give it up mate. Your desire to 'get one' over me

> is a bit pathetic, and you're embarrassing

> yourself now.

if you don't want people calling out your hypocritcal Remain baiting BS you probably should stop posting it

[JohnL]

The minister in Paris just made a freudian slip

"we are waiting for France and Germany to sort this out"

He then asked if he could do it again as he got Britain and Germany mixed up. He was live so he just swept back his hair and carried on :)

[diable rouge]

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