EU Trade Talks Thread

[keano77]

Blah Blah Wrote:

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> And the madness of hard Brexit supporters

> continues.....

>

> Keano, we are about to enter the biggest recession

> ever on WTO terms.

As previously stated I think a deal of sorts will be reached as it?s in all our interests

We are not going to be any

> threat to the EU or any other trading block as we

> scramble to save our economy.

The EU disagrees with you here which is why they want to sign the UK up to a legally binding ?level playing? field under the jurisdiction of EU courts

Oh and you might

> want to ask why government are refusing to share

> the details of any agreed trades deals with

> Parliament, even after they are signed, while you

> are at it.

Can?t comment on this as I don?t know anything about it

[JohnL]

I think even a basic deal with the EU might not be compatible with a deal with Trump. We also need to keep the promises made in the withdrawal agreement which I'm not sure we're planning to.

[Sephiroth]

"I think even a basic deal with the EU might not be compatible with a deal with Trump."

This

but also whatever deal is arrived will satisfy only a small proportion of contradictory Leave factions. A large chuck of leave voters wanted to remain in single market. Keano, less so. YOu can never reconcile leavers, never mind anyone else

So we continue to lose rights, at cost, to the satisfaction of noone

[keano77]

You?re right there Sephiroth. Whatever the outcome some will be unhappy.

The only thing certain is we are going through a period of upheaval from all sides with environmental, economic, social and cultural demands.

My view is we need unfettered flexibility to deal with these changes. Others disagree.

[Sephiroth]

I'm not saying that keano

I'm saying pretty much EVERYONE will be unhappy

all the remainers, all the people who want an extension now (including many leavers)and most of the leavers who wanted Not This Brexit But Their Version Of Breit

[KidKruger]

what an absolute shit show letting this population vote on something so damaging to the country.

[pk]

keano77 Wrote:

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> My view is we need unfettered flexibility to deal

> with these changes. Others disagree.

any trade deal with anyone (EU or otherwise) won't realistically give unfettered flexibility

deals inevitably involve getting what you want in return for giving something that the other side wants, including some certainty

it naive to think otherwise

[keano77]

No of course pk and I?m not suggesting otherwise as, I suspect, you well know.

I?m talking about a foreign body attempting to dictate to a sovereign country and its courts what they can and can?t do

I?m not sure Remainers, who always emphasised perceived economic downsides, ever really understood the bigger, universal, concepts of democracy, freedom, sovereignty etc around this issue.

[Sephiroth]

"I?m not sure Remainers, who always emphasised perceived economic downsides, ever really understood the bigger, universal, concepts of democracy, freedom, sovereignty etc around this issue."

We do

You don't

You had sovereignty

Ireland has sovereignty

ireland will continue to be sovereign

Beacause Uk will now be in a weaker negotiating position it will lose sovereignty as it will have to voluntarily give up control (over animal standards for example) to other countries

The EU isn't a foreign body. It is a legal framework encompassing multiple sovereign countries. The countries use their sovereignty to collectively agree to the mutual benefit of all. There will be trade offs sometimes. But it isn't a foreign body. The use the Single Market (a BRITISH INVENTION) to facilitate trade

But Britain is walking away from this with people like you screaming about FORRIN ROOLS

[keano77]

Oh dear, we?re back to blue pill again

[Blah Blah]

No Keano, Sephiroth is spot on. No leave voter has ever been able to demonstrate that we do not have sovereignty, freedom or democracy. And as you are going to learn, ALL trade agreements come with required changes to regulatory frameworks, imposed by the interests of the other trade partner. All that waffle sold to you by the likes of Farage was a red herring. Even trading on WTO terms comes with a set of rules we did not create but HAVE to abide by, especially on tariffs. So you see, it is actually leavers, who never understood the complexity of trade and regulatory frameworks around that, who fell into the trap set for them, by self interested millionaires with little interest in things like employer protections and livelihoods.

[keano77]

Oh well, there?s nothing to be gained going over old ground again

[pk]

keano77 Wrote:

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> No of course pk and I?m not suggesting otherwise

> as, I suspect, you well know.

>

> I?m talking about a foreign body attempting to

> dictate to a sovereign country and its courts what

> they can and can?t do

>

>

in fact it's 27 sovereign countries saying to us - if you want to play with us you're going to have to accept many of the rules that we play by together (obviously)

but they're definitely not forcing us to accept any terms - as you point out we can chose to go WTO (which to me is a terrible idea)

[Sephiroth]

"Oh well, there?s nothing to be gained going over old ground again"

There is a lot to be gained by the UK by asking for an extension - and as long as people like you insist we don't need to, I will hold you responsible for what happens to us

[keano77]

Errr hello blue pill ...

global pandemic?

Huge recession/possible depression?

God help you if you think the EU is going to protect you after the way Russia had to step in the help Italy.

But, don?t misunderstand me, I wish everyone the best over the next couple of years for what?s about to hit us

[Sephiroth]

ah so now we are buying russian propoganda as well - well done, well done

[keano77]

You can hardly blame the ruskies for a PR coup when the EU 27 shut up shop and went into ?everyone for themselves? mode.

Anyway, why don?t we catch up when things about the trade deal become a bit clearer and we can swap chlorinated chicken recipes

[JohnL]

keano77 Wrote:

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> You can hardly blame the ruskies for a PR coup

> when the EU 27 shut up shop and went into

> ?everyone for themselves? mode.

>

> Anyway, why don?t we catch up when things about

> the trade deal become a bit clearer and we can

> swap chlorinated chicken recipes

If only Daniel Hancock would listen to countries that deal with things better :)

https://www.plenglish.com/index.php?o=rn&id=56095&SEO=uk-govt-urged-to-seek-cuban-medical-assistance-to-fight-covid-19

[diable rouge]

I was being kind calling Johnson a Poundshop Churchill, when in fact he's a Poundshop Arthur Daley...https://twitter.com/hughwhitfeld/status/1273163100817162252

[JohnL]

Johnson's car had a bump coming out of Parliament - I very much doubt he even noticed.

Steve Bray was there recording it all (He's still there - it's been years)

[Plough Man]

Let's face it. Barnier has overplayed his hand. He thought he could maintain the dominance enjoyed by the EU when Theresa May was dithering in office and when David Davis was bumbling along.

[Sephiroth]

The state of this. Jesus

Regurgitating tropes from hoary youtube/Facebook/reddit/4chan wells

Not a lesson learnt in 4 years

[TheCat]

Sephiroth Wrote:

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> The state of this. Jesus

>

> Regurgitating tropes from hoary

> youtube/Facebook/reddit/4chan wells

>

> Not a lesson learnt in 4 years

I know you're passionate mate. But do you not get tired of vilifying the same people with the same points? It must be exhausting.

Although to be fair, this thread has had 3 months off......

[keano77]

Crunchy garlic chlorinated chicken recipe

1. mix parmesan, mayo, garlic, lemon zest, herbs and seasoning to form a paste

2. Coat the chlorinated chicken breasts with the mayo mix, cover with breadcrumbs and place on a prepared baking tray. Bake for 25-30 mins until golden and cooked through.

3. Carve into three or four thick slices, scatter over chives and serve with the lemon wedges and vegetables of your choice.

Wine pairing Hint - this Oaked Chardonnay, Sour Grapes (appellation contr?l?e) from Chateau Peckham (maison fond?e en January 1, 2021) is an ideal accompaniment to this exquisite dish.

[tomdhu]

keano77 Wrote:

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> Crunchy garlic chlorinated chicken recipe

>

The UK's aversion to chlorinated chicken has been brought about by political manipulation. The EU created a directive to improve chicken husbandry standards so as to "eliminate" campylobacter bacteria. The problem is this raised production costs enormously but it FAILED completely to eradicate the bacteria.

If one believes what the NHS says https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/eat-well/never-wash-raw-chicken/, then it is proven that 50% of the chickens sold in the UK are infected with campylobacter. Most cases of food poisoning come from infected chickens. Campylobacter poisoning can cause severe diarrhoea, and sometimes vomiting for between 2 and 5 days.

In a similar fashion, we have the fiasco of the "smart meter" directive from the EU. The meters are far from "smart" and do nothing to conserve energy. This directive was the result of lobbying in the EU from vested interests.

There are 330 million Americans and most of them eat chlorinated chicken. They are safer than we are with our contaminated birds. Their chickens cost less than ours. We all drink chlorinated water and the water is chlorinated to kill bacteria. Makes sense to chlorinate the chicken too.

There are dozens of EU directives that make little sense in practice. That is why we will be better off when we are unshackled from them. What unsettles the EU is the prospect of having an unshackled UK on their doorstep where we can create our own legislation. The EU is terrified of competition.

Bring on the KFC.