EU Trade Talks Thread

[Sephiroth]

I know where the border would need to go keano. I?m asking you how you would control a border in a locked down uk? Presumably a uk that wants to control its borders needs a border between uk and Republic of Ireland? So that?s why your talk of it being just an eu imposition is rubbish

[keano77]

Well you?ve obviously made your mind up on this issue.

Just to say that when there was a border it was a border in name only since so much smuggling went on it might as well have not been there.

Red diesel was a popular earner I understand. If a border is reintroduced at the EU?s demand it won?t prevent chlorinated chickens being smuggled into the Republic

😀

[Sephiroth]

Well you?ve obviously made your mind up on this issue

It?s not an opinion - it?s the facts. If you brits want to absolutely control your borders it means you need to erect one. That?s not an opinion. The opinion is about why you feel the need to do that

As for the previous border, many Irish people would object to it being called a border in name only given the problems it caused. But even with the border of your imagination don?t you agree it was more trouble than it was worth? And by working together in eu we have had a better time of it?

[keano77]

Let?s wait and see what transpires shall we.

At some time Ireland?s noddy political system might eventually form a government. And if the EU trade talks give us our cake and let us eat it the EU won?t need to impose a border.

[stepdown]

keano77 Wrote:

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> the EU won?t need to impose a border.

There already is a border, the nature of the border going forward is a subject of negotiation. We went over this before you misrepresented a Reuters article, selectively quoted to pretend that criticism of your point validated it and then got muddled up about the monetary policy, protectionism and the EU budget and started with the ad-hominems.

At least we've moved on from you making up that "EU states have to erect a border against non EU states", but there's no need for the irrelevant insults against our "friends and partners" as Boris Johnson likes to call them, it's pretty transparent trolling.

[keano77]

Yawn

[TheCat]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/mar/06/budget-2020-chancellor-plans-to-finally-end-tampon-tax

Finally, as sovereign UK, we can strive for equality of tax policy, and not have to adhere to the bigoted tax directives of the European Union.

I know not EVERY person who voted to remain is a misogynist. But clearly all remainers are happy align themselves with the misogynists. I hope they're happy with tacitly supporting such bigotry.

I expect most remainers didn't know what they voting for, and just swallowed the lies that the EU is a progressive organisation.. Perhaps they need to be better educated and informed about misogyny, and made aware that their actions have given rise to a normalisation of misogynistic attitudes.

[Blah Blah]

Except TheCat, VAT for the most part is something government decides. Most consumer products are subject to it and the ban on zero rate tax on consumer products is something that applies to ALL products, so trying to conflate that with misogyny and the other infantile daggers of your post is disingenuous. I thought we had got past that?

[TheCat]

Blimey..I would have thought the hyperbolic nature of my post would make it clear that it's obviously tongue in cheek....

I guess some people refuse to be able to take themselves with anything other than complete seriousness...

[TheCat]

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/mar/07/ban-supertrawlers-from-uk-waters-after-brexit-say-green-campaigners

Finally, as sovereign UK, we can strive for sustainability, and not have to adhere to the environmentally irresponsible directives of the European Union.

I know not EVERY person who voted to remain is an environmental vandal, and not all prejudiced again the dolphin population. But clearly all remainers are happy align themselves with the litterbugs and climate change deniers who form a core part of this posse. I hope they're happy with tacitly supporting dolphinicide.

I expect most remainers didn't know what they voting for, and just swallowed the lies that the EU is an environmental friendly organisation. Perhaps they need to be better educated and informed about their un-sustainible views, and made aware that their actions have given rise to a normalisation of planet-destroying attitudes.

[teddyboy23]

That will wind them up

[Sephiroth]

And that, wind ?them? up, is the only point of all of this isn?t it

Write the largest cheque you can?t cash, just to wind ?them? up

And some people will indeed clap that

Worse, you will giggle, give yourself a metaphorical clap on the back. Ignorant of all the problems caused

[TheCat]

Okay...since any form of levity appears to be lost on this crowd. Let me be more direct....you (and others) have previously claimed on here that there is 'not one' potential benefit of leaving the EU.

My two posts above give you not one...but two potentials benefits. They may not be that important to you versus other things, but they are two potentials benefits nonetheless, and to deflect by again claiming the leavers are 'ignorant of all the problems caused' just exemplifies the myopia which many display on this thread.

Maybe...just maybe...there's more to this than the ridiculous polarizing position that many take on this thread about the entire brexit process and subsequent trade talks.

Sure, I get that on balance you don't like it. But by dogmatically claiming 'not one' benefit is just wilful obsintnece.

I would add to Blah Blah.....I agree that conflating remain voting with misogyny or environmental vandalism is plainly ridiculous (that was sort of the point). It's almost as ridiculous as constantly being told how 'ignorant' leavers when any little factoid comes out which might be negative for the UK's relationship with the EU going forward. It's interesting that I don't see your calling out of the plethora of 'infantile'and 'disingenuous' posts on here when they clearly agree with your pre-exisating position.

[Sephiroth]

Sorry. Are you claiming your posts are light hearted banter. Or they are making serious points

The two points you claim don?t stand up to any scrutiny

Yes. You can ban super trawlers. Of course you can. It?s you?re legal right

But how does that play out in a bigger picture politically. You can?t claim these are simple, no-cost wins

[TheCat]

They are light hearted posts which make serious points (I mean FFS...I used the word 'dolphinicide'!!). The two are not mutually exclusive.

So you now seemingly admit that there are some possible 'wins' but now you've qualified it by saying they have to be 'no cost' wins, and it's now not about 'not one' potential benefit, but has morphed to being all about the 'bigger picture'? Just keep changing the goalposts, as long your narrative stays the same huh?

In anycase, I fail to see how these points don't 'stand up to scrutiny', when you haven't even provided any robust 'scrutiny' or in fact any reasonable counter argument on those two specific points.

Who exactly loses out of removing the consumer/discretionay goods VAT rate on sanitary products? The HMRC, sure....but I'm guessing you knew that.

Anyway, as Keano said above...Yawn....

[Blah Blah]

Slow hand clap......

It is blatantly obvious that some (if not many) leave voters voted for something without having any clue of the complexities. That was the whole drive of the leave campaign. So please, don't insult the intelligence of people here.

[diable rouge]

The First rule of Troll Club:

If an early hours, half-pissed thread falls flat on it's arse, troll a Brexit thread...

[TheCat]

diable rouge Wrote:

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> The First rule of Troll Club:

>

> If an early hours, half-pissed thread falls flat

> on it's arse, troll a Brexit thread...

I think it's pretty clear that you've proved the first rule is clearly finding something totally irrelevant to the discussion to focus on, and pretending like it is relevant....

[TheCat]

Blah Blah Wrote:

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> Slow hand clap......

>

> It is blatantly obvious that some (if not many)

> leave voters voted for something without having

> any clue of the complexities. That was the whole

> drive of the leave campaign. So please, don't

> insult the intelligence of people here.

Ha, good grief, some of you people are un-believable. Don't insult the intelligence of the good, right-minded, sensible, remain voters on here is what you mean, right? And in the same paragraph (without any indication of irony), you manage to once again insult leave voters by claiming ignorance as the main driver behind the result.

And you have the gall to brand me infantile and a troll. Time for a look in the mirror my friend....

[Blah Blah]

So you really want to rerun the same arguments around ignorance already done to death, really?

Where shall we start? With a big red bus perhaps?

Put down the troll potion ffs.

[TheCat]

Blah Blah Wrote:

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> So you really want to rerun the same arguments

> around ignorance already done to death, really?

>

> Where shall we start? With a big red bus perhaps?

>

> Put down the troll potion ffs.

Sigh. No I don't want a 'return' to these 'arguments'.

Calling more than 50 percent of the voting population stupid is not an 'arguement', its a symptom of all-consuming self-righteousness, and absolute inability to accept that there may be some concessions or a different viewpoint from one's own.

Its telling that almost every time I (or a few others) decide to voice our opinions on here which disagree with what to you consider to be true, you brand them a 'troll'.....

[pk]

So Cat if you want to talk Brexit, you might as well express a view on the biggest issue

Do you think that we should leave with no deal?

Yes or no will do

[TheCat]

I've expressed it numerous times before on this forums, but in anycase.....

A deal is highly likely to be preferable to no deal given the 'friction'/transition issues of foremost concern in the short term.

(Despite it often alleged that I don't discuss the issues. I have actually laid out my views on a whole range of things multiple times over the past 4 years (go and check my posting history), but these often then get lost in back an forth on other petty issues that are part and parcel of this forum.)

[pk]

TheCat Wrote:

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> I've expressed it numerous times before on this

> forums, but in anycase.....

>

> A deal is highly likely to be preferable to no

> deal given the 'friction'/transition issues of

> foremost concern in the short term.

>

> (Despite it often alleged that I don't discuss the

> issues. I have actually laid out my views on a

> whole range of things multiple times over the past

> 4 years (go and check my posting history), but

> these often then get lost in back an forth on

> other petty issues that are part and parcel of

> this forum.)

So that?s a ?no?

Do you believe a deal can be done by Boris? deadline that he?s made up for no reason?

[TheCat]

Is this twenty questions? Are you Peter Kay?

I don't know if it can. Maybe. Be nice if it could of course. But the only people who know are the ones in the room...

So that's not a yes or a no. Sorry if I've spoilt your game...