LTN: Our Healthy Streets - Dulwich: Phase 3

[womanofdulwich]

I hear it might be made into a skateboard park, so young people have a space of their own...

[Bicknell]

Ive heard alot of people calling it the Dulwich Dead End.

[JohnL]

rachp Wrote:

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> alice Wrote:

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> > So it?s just a coincidence that the main

> > beneficiaries are those in the wealthier part

> of

> > our borough?

>

> In ED and DV it is hard to avoid wealthy streets

> isn't it? Is Melbourne Grove an outlier in ED? And

> Rye Lane is not wealthy. I don't know where else

> in Southwark this is happening, I'm assuming not

> only in Dulwich as it's a London wide initiative.

It's a UK wide inititive the same conversations are happening in Swansea, Cardiff, Newcastle etc.

At the heart of it - you can perhaps blame Grant Shapps

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/18/closing-narrowing-roads-cycling-revolution-leads-campaigners/

[mr.chicken]

Spartacus Wrote:

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> Rah

> Won't the extended ULEZ improve the environment ?

>

> I can see the glory grabbing now

> Southwark saying we done good reducing pollution

> by blocking streets and the mayor saying the same

> by reducing older polluting vehicles (despite the

> environmental cost of building new cars being

> higher than keeping older cars running)

The environment is more than just carbon. There's definitely a benefit to not pumping disease causing particulates and NOx into the air in a very high population area.

womanofdulwich Wrote:

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> when/who is going to occupy the space in Dulwich

> Village at the end of Court Lane- pop up pizzas?

> fish n chips? cocktails?

champagne and oysters

[exdulwicher]

I don't know where else in Southwark this is happening, I'm assuming not only in Dulwich as it's a London wide initiative.

Walworth Road and the estates around the back of it have had a fair bit done. Similar thing with planters.

https://www.southwarknews.co.uk/news/covid-19-legislation-sees-major-road-changes-including-car-free-junctions-new-cycle-lanes-and-traffic-bans-outside-schools/

Southwark News website (linked above) is worth keeping an eye on, quite often has quotes from councillors. There's also a link to the Streetspace page for comments.

[thebestnameshavegone]

I can't ever fathom the resistance from the pro-motoring lobby to transport planners suggesting that people on foot or bikes might get priority, or that people maybe don't store their own private property on the roads.

And these are emergency measures, taking place nationwide. That's why there was no lengthy consultation.

We're in a pandemic, which is what prompted all of this stuff.

If you ask people if they would mind awfully not driving their car somewhere, they tend to say no.

[dulwichfolk]

The traffic in dulwich village seems to have reduced a fair amount.

Doesn?t this imply the majority of the issues are school related?

[womanofdulwich]

Dulwich seems very quiet. The state schools are on holiday and we are allowed to holiday again within reason. Here's to 5 weeks of relative peace.😀

[Spartacus]

Southwark council could learn from this

https://www.wandsworth.gov.uk/news/july-2020/now-bars-and-restaurants-in-balham-s-bedford-hill-can-go-al-fresco/?utm_source=Wandsworth%20Borough%20Council&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=11704360_July%2024&dm_i=XWH,6YV54,G70J2T,S1RX5,1

It's what is needed, not implementing pet schemes without consultation.

[geh]

enjoyed a quick glass of wine outside Rocca this afternoon. Constant flow of traffic, irate drivers hooting, fumes, and general unpleasantness, that was my experience. Still, I anticipate it will improve dramatically in September

dulwichfolk Wrote:

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> The traffic in dulwich village seems to have

> reduced a fair amount.

>

> Doesn?t this imply the majority of the issues are

> school related?

[Mrs D]

I drove through the village yesterday between 6-7pm and traffic was stacked up from the Dulwich Village junction (Before that) and East Dulwich Grove. Not many cars got through at dv junction when lights were green as too much traffic. So to me it didn?t seem quiet on the streets, at least not at that time! I was stuck In traffic for quite some time.

[dulwichfolk]

Strange though I was mainly there in the morning.

[thebestnameshavegone]

Went through DV junction early this morning and noticed all of the planters had been vandalised.

I'm hopeful One Dulwich with their well resourced cabal of digital astroturfers will be quick to condemn this kind of vandalism.

[Metallic]

womanofdulwich Wrote:

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> I hear it might be made into a skateboard park, so

> young people have a space of their own...

It is already being populated by skateboarders, in the evening. Lovely sound. Grinding and slapping the boards.

[Metallic]

Apart from about twenty homes, no one at all is benefitting from the closure. The bottom of Court Lane and the base of Calton Avenue after Woodwarde Road are the only places to lose traffic. But instead everyone else is coping with rat runners, cyclists going too fast because they think it is their space now, displaced traffic and random out-of villagers who say how nice it is and who cares about well off people in SE21. I would love it if all these fans of the new system would say where they live when they are making all their anti-Dulwich, pro-cycling and closure comments. All those people photographed saying how great the new system is are those who can walk without a problem, but I know so many old people who are not going to be able to move out and about locally without their car and then having vast diversions.

Just wait until the next phase is introduced - see if it makes a POSITIVE difference to residents. I'm hoping it does, but fear it will not.

[Sally Eva]

I am benefiting from it far away in Eynella Road. The reduction in Court Lane "short-cuts" by through traffic has reduced the continuous stream of cars and vans on that road to zero and increased the cycling/pedestrian traffic to 50 from 5 or less. Eynella traffic was negligible so the junction with Lordship Lane was safe and good-tempered.

Metallic Wrote:

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> Apart from about twenty homes, no one at all is

> benefitting from the closure. The bottom of Court

> Lane and the base of Calton Avenue after Woodwarde

> Road are the only places to lose traffic. But

> instead everyone else is coping with rat runners,

> cyclists going too fast because they think it is

> their space now, displaced traffic and random

> out-of villagers who say how nice it is and who

> cares about well off people in SE21. I would love

> it if all these fans of the new system would say

> where they live when they are making all their

> anti-Dulwich, pro-cycling and closure comments.

> All those people photographed saying how great the

> new system is are those who can walk without a

> problem, but I know so many old people who are not

> going to be able to move out and about locally

> without their car and then having vast

> diversions.

> Just wait until the next phase is introduced -

> see if it makes a POSITIVE difference to

> residents. I'm hoping it does, but fear it will

> not.

[rupert james]

How have the figures from 5 to 50 been obtained?

[Metallic]

Sally Eva Wrote:

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> I am benefiting from it far away in Eynella Road.

> The reduction in Court Lane "short-cuts" by

> through traffic has reduced the continuous stream

> of cars and vans on that road to zero and

> increased the cycling/pedestrian traffic to 50

> from 5 or less. Eynella traffic was negligible so

> the junction with Lordship Lane was safe and

> good-tempered.

>

>

>

> Metallic Wrote:

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> > Apart from about twenty homes, no one at all is

> > benefitting from the closure. The bottom of

> Court

> > Lane and the base of Calton Avenue after

> Woodwarde

> > Road are the only places to lose traffic. But

> > instead everyone else is coping with rat

> runners,

> > cyclists going too fast because they think it

> is

> > their space now, displaced traffic and random

> > out-of villagers who say how nice it is and who

> > cares about well off people in SE21. I would

> love

> > it if all these fans of the new system would

> say

> > where they live when they are making all their

> > anti-Dulwich, pro-cycling and closure comments.

>

> > All those people photographed saying how great

> the

> > new system is are those who can walk without a

> > problem, but I know so many old people who are

> not

> > going to be able to move out and about locally

> > without their car and then having vast

> > diversions.

> > Just wait until the next phase is introduced -

> > see if it makes a POSITIVE difference to

> > residents. I'm hoping it does, but fear it will

> > not.

That's because the cars are going further down Court Lane and cutting through. Try living further down Woodwarde Road and especially when all the Foundation schools come back.

[Metallic]

rupert james Wrote:

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> How have the figures from 5 to 50 been obtained?

Made up. Bet you.

[thebestnameshavegone]

Metallic Wrote:

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> I know so many old people who are not

> going to be able to move out and about locally

> without their car and then having vast

> diversions.

As far as I can see every resident can still park near their home, drive away from their home and return to their home? There's such massive entitlement at play here.

[jane21]

The closure of the dulwich village junction is pushing a lot of traffic through the middle of the village and when I have the door of my shop open which I like to do in the summer and during current times I cannot hear anyone on the phone or anyone in my shop. The buses and music etc is overwhelming. Similarly in Peckham where I live the buses have been moved off lordship lane and are now on my street also increasing the noise levels and pollution. I don't see it as massive entitlement; the traffic won't just disappear but will increase and it will affect a lot of businesses where there is movement around the area for example flower deliveries, funerals, interior work for measures and dry cleaning vans.

[Metallic]

thebestnameshavegone Wrote:

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> Metallic Wrote:

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> > I know so many old people who are not

> > going to be able to move out and about locally

> > without their car and then having vast

> > diversions.

>

>

> As far as I can see every resident can still park

> near their home, drive away from their home and

> return to their home? There's such massive

> entitlement at play here.

This is nothing to do with entitlement.You buy or rent a house, get old and need to use your car for shopping or social/medical use. Do you honestly deny it doesn't add loads of time to a trip? Anyone want to go with an older person while they choose their fruit and veg, then carry it home for them? Thought not. Too busy. In the afternoons the tailbacks to Dulwich Village are long and slow, lovely for all those people who live and walk there.

[thebestnameshavegone]

Car ownership declines massively post 50/60 in London (TFL'S own data)

These sound like Schodinger's old people -a demographic who are in a small minority being wheeled out to make convenient points.

[Spartacus]

thebestnameshavegone Wrote:

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> Car ownership declines massively post 50/60 in

> London (TFL'S own data)

>

> These sound like Schodinger's old people -a

> demographic who are in a small minority being

> wheeled out to make convenient points.

Funny

Post 50 people seem to be able to afford to buy the e-type / classic they desire when they were younger so potentially car ownership over 50 goes up

Post 70 and maybe due to poor eyesight and other health issues ownership goes down in my experience

[Bicknell]

Dont bother about the elderly. Just a small minority....Let them sit in traffic jams..Better still throw a protective ring of planters round them.