LTN: Our Healthy Streets - Dulwich: Phase 3

[Dogkennelhillbilly]

Metallic Wrote:

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> > > Balham Post Office has stopped receiving

> > parcels

> > > from customers because the new road system

> > means

> > > the collection van can't get near it.

> > > Now we have a gorgeous yellow box in the

> > Village

> > > (is there to be a camera??) right up to the

> > > planters, the collection of parcels may be a

> > > problem here too. Ditto delivery of

> essentials

> > to

> > > the pharmacy. Once the double yellow lines

> are

> > in

> > > and there is nowhere to park for these

> > essential

> > > services, can someone with a cargo bike do

> the

> > > deliveries for the PO and pharmacy?

> >

> >

> > The post office van pulls up and double parks

> to

> > pick up and drop off post at the post office at

> > the same time every day, as it has done ever

> since

> > the closure was put in. This is not much

> different

> > from what happened before when they stopped

> > illegally on the corner almost every day as

> there

> > was never an available parking space in front

> of

> > the shops.

> >

> > Of course, this could be easily fixed by making

> > 1-2 parking spots in of the shops delivery

> only.

>

> The point I'm making is he can't even double park

> now because of the yellow box. Keep up.

The point is that the guy just pulls in front of the planters and stops, as he has done every day since they went in. Keep up.

[Dogkennelhillbilly]

"The idea that only those with qualifications in traffic management can ?understand? sounds a bit desperate."

The public is sick of experts. Where did the idea that you need to understand a subject in order to criticise methodology come from? Stuff and nonsense. All we need is the blitz spirit, common sense and pints of warm beer. We didn't fight Galtieri so that I had to walk to the shops, you know.

irst mate Wrote:

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> It does seem likely the council have justified

> certain interventions with misleading stats and

> you are quite right to question and pursue this.

> The idea that only those with qualifications in

> traffic management can ?understand? sounds a bit

> desperate.

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> slarti b Wrote:

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> > What I like is the prospect of OneDulwich -

> > entirely unqualified in traffic management and

> > > environmental monitoring - bickering over

> > pollution measurement methodologies.

> >

> > The OHS agenda and the subsequent so called

> > "Covid" measures have been driven by the local

> > councillors. Do they have any qualifications

> in

> > traffic management, or indeed related

> disciplines

> > such as engineering? From linkedin they seem

> to

> > be a Digital Content consultant (whatever?) and

> a

> > sugar trader.

> >

> > AS for the council officer who has been key in

> the

> > helping the councillors with OHS and the

> so-called

> > Covid changes: he has based the justification

> for

> > teh closures on a 47% increase in traffic

> through

> > the DV junction. This figure is totally

> > misleading, with base figures taken during

> > re-building work on the DV junction in Sep 2017.

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> > He has also defended the strange traffic stats

> for

> > Calton Avenue, used to support the DV junction

> > closure, whilst unable to explain the

> > discrepancies with the earlier TfL survey. If

> he

> > is qualified in traffic management why is he

> > behaving in this way?

> >

> > I do find it odd that his email signature has

> no

> > details of his professional qualifications but

> I

> > will be happy to hear what they are.

> >

> > Onedulwich has supporters who are engineers and

> > professionals used to assessing figures (eg I

> > studied Maths and Statistics and have worked

> > analysing numbers for many years) and we also

> have

> > an experienced traffic engineer for advice. We

> may

> > not all be qualified in traffic management but

> we

> > are able to recognize when people are trying to

> > pull the wool over our eyes.

[first mate]

Yet more inane stereotyping.

[slarti b]

While cycling into work this morning I noticed a team spray-cleaning the painted flowers off the DV junction. In these days of reduced budgets it is a shame teh council is having to use scarce funds in this way.

I hope they send the bill to the "Friends of Margy Plaza" group.

[Dogkennelhillbilly]

Upset they're too scruffy, upset when they're cleaned...

[JohnL]

Seems to be putting both sides

https://www.onlondon.co.uk/low-traffic-neighbourhoods-class-politics-and-people-power/

Seems set for Farage to jump on this (the anger is just what he thrives on) - he's sniffing around twitter looking for a cause and another new political party.

?You poke the hornet?s nest of democracy, they come out and sting you in the bum. You need people to step forward and make sure democracy is looked after for the next generation.?

Could have come straight from the Brexit Party literature.

[first mate]

Oh lord, he is the very last person you?d want involved.

[JohnL]

first mate Wrote:

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> Oh lord, he is the very last person you?d want

> involved.

I know - it's just the thing he'd love to get involved in though. Both sides KEEP HIM OUT :)

[Rockets]

A quote from that article - does it sound familiar....find and replace Hackney with Dulwich....?

Former Liberal Democrat London Assembly and 2019 general election candidate Ben Mathis spent last Sunday removing anti-LTN graffiti from roads in Clapton. ?While I personally think that feeling is being channelled against the wrong measures, I totally get it,? he says. ?People in Hackney are so used to being ignored ? scrutiny of the council from within is all but non-existent, consultations are routinely ignored."

[Metallic]

Dogkennelhillbilly

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> The point I'm making is he can't even double park

> now because of the yellow box. Keep up.

>The point is that the guy just pulls in front of the planters and stops, as he has done every day since they went in. >Keep up.

Yes but before the drivers were not blocking the twixt planter route. Now they encroach on the yellow box and therefore commit an offence under the RTA.

[FairTgirl]

Shaggy Wrote:

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> No need to crowdfund. I?ve had one of these for

> two years, and it?s great and inexpensive. It is

> perfect for attaching to bicycle handlebars or a

> rear view mirror, if you are that way inclined.

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> https://plumelabs.com/en/flow/

Thanks very helpful.

[Dogkennelhillbilly]

Metallic Wrote:

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> Dogkennelhillbilly

> >

> > The point I'm making is he can't even double

> park

> > now because of the yellow box. Keep up.

>

> >The point is that the guy just pulls in front of

> the planters and stops, as he has done every day

> since they went in. >Keep up.

>

> Yes but before the drivers were not blocking the

> twixt planter route. Now they encroach on the

> yellow box and therefore commit an offence under

> the RTA.

The Royal Mail van wasn't allowed to double park or drive across the pavement, as happened previously. Nothing has changed, apart from your desire to find another problem with the closure.

[Metallic]

Dogkennelhillbilly Wrote:

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> The Royal Mail van wasn't allowed to double park

> or drive across the pavement, as happened

> previously. Nothing has changed, apart from your

> desire to find another problem with the closure.

Did you see how busy the post office got last Christmas? Clearly not. And as for it being your local pharmacy? Maybe not. But drugs are delivered twice a day and if these delivery/collection drivers have to drive the long way round to find a legal spot to park - bear in mind double yellows will soon be there - the PO will say they cannot collect the parcels or make drugs deliveries.

[northernmonkey]

Sorry for making the same point again as upthread but it seems relevant.

There are multiple bays outside the shops - why can't some be repurposed for a loading bay and while we're at it at least one disabled bay too?

[Metallic]

Yes, I agree. Don't faint.

[northernmonkey]

Didn't think it was particularly controversial to be honest - so couldn't imagine why you wouldn't - but in terms of the lamenting about the problems for the post office, seems like theres been an obvious easier fix for years than them driving across the pavement.

[Metallic]

northernmonkey Wrote:

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> Didn't think it was particularly controversial to

> be honest - so couldn't imagine why you wouldn't -

> but in terms of the lamenting about the problems

> for the post office, seems like theres been an

> obvious easier fix for years than them driving

> across the pavement.

I don't think I have seen the van drive over the pavement but maybe someone will see this exchange and arrange for a loading bay as of course the whole set of shops is in need of a delivery space, apart from all the estate agents of course.

[Rockets]

https://www.southwarknews.co.uk/comment/editorial-new-low-traffic-neighbourhoods-must-not-hinder-the-emergency-services/

[mako]

To me it sounds like the part time cyclists of court lane with their double driveways and garages are moaning about being oppressed and why should anyone be allowed on their road, whilst those living, cycling, working on the roads to where the traffic is displaced have to deal with the extra pollution. the issue isnt about 5 minutes extra driving (guess most journeys that would have used court lane junction are now much more than 5 minutes extra), but about the social injustice of the high car owning areas having the benefits.

[heartblock]

Exactly Mako.... the cars on my road at school delivery of children time, are the cars that belong to the ?gated? communities delivering their children to Alleyn?s and JAGs, many getting annoyed at the traffic and trying to U turn in front of cyclists, beeping at pedestrians trying to cross the road. The extra traffic makes it hard for cyclists, pedestrians and people trying to use the 37 bus. Meanwhile the ?square? is having dancing parties and string quartets. All roads need to have more access for pedestrians and cyclists. The encouragement of less car use needs to be borough wide not just for the lucky few. It?s always the poorer and more polluted areas that get shat on in Southwark.

[seenbeen]

heartblock Wrote:

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> Exactly Mako.... the cars on my road at school

> delivery of children time, are the cars that

> belong to the ?gated? communities delivering their

> children to Alleyn?s and JAGs, many getting

> annoyed at the traffic and trying to U turn in

> front of cyclists, beeping at pedestrians trying

> to cross the road. The extra traffic makes it hard

> for cyclists, pedestrians and people trying to use

> the 37 bus. Meanwhile the ?square? is having

> dancing parties and string quartets. All roads

> need to have more access for pedestrians and

> cyclists. The encouragement of less car use needs

> to be borough wide not just for the lucky few.

> It?s always the poorer and more polluted areas

> that get shat on in Southwark.

Yes because they know that no matter what they do in Southwark they will still vote the lot of them in!

[Artemis]

Please don?t jump to the conclusion that everyone in Court Lane and other blocked roads are all delighted by the closures. This is really not the case. I have elderly relatives in Court Lane who do not drive, and are unhappy about the closures. Their carers are finding it difficult to reach them (and their other vulnerable clients) on time as their journeys are taking considerably longer because of the traffic jams. My relatives also don?t think it?s fair that others on busier roads are now suffering from greater pollution. The people on the blocked roads had as little say in the road blocks as anyone else and it seems rather unfair to make sweeping generalisations and assumptions.

[Dogkennelhillbilly]

"the part time cyclists of court lane with their double driveways and garages are moaning about being oppressed"

Love this "Court Lane elite and Southwark Stalinists" meme every time it comes up.

[Otto2]

Just cycled down Melbourne Grove on the south side of ED Grove and it was full of parents and kids making their way to school cycling -- quite lovely.

[heartblock]

It?s not a meme, it is a phrase that you have written and placed inside quotation marks. Labelling residents who have concerns about pollution as Stalinists? Really?