peckhamboy Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 It seems to me that the trains into London Bridge in the mornings are getting ridiculously busy now - even the early ones are standing room only by the time they get to ED. Part of the problem seems to be that they're using old carriages with fewer seats on. Has anyone else noticed this, or am I just getting grumpy in my old age and turning into Victor Meldrew? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/2465-are-the-trains-getting-busier/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
KalamityKel Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 Tis not just the trains... buses too :p Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/2465-are-the-trains-getting-busier/#findComment-73117 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendan Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 The 8:45am from denmark hill to blackfriars has grown steadily busier over the past 2 years. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/2465-are-the-trains-getting-busier/#findComment-73124 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanMacGabhann Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 Are the trains getting busier? Nah - it's just the new paintworkbah dum tshhhhhI've been using 40 and 63 buses since the new year and can't say I've seen it much busier - apart from the number of people who think it's fine to stand in the 2 square metres between the exit and the stairsCan't comment on the trains sorry Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/2465-are-the-trains-getting-busier/#findComment-73125 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendan Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 I had to stand this morning!Stand I tell you! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/2465-are-the-trains-getting-busier/#findComment-73130 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanMacGabhann Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 on the 8:45 to Blackfriars???? I'd be amazed if you could get a seat at that hour (even if you could in the past, yes yes I hear you) Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/2465-are-the-trains-getting-busier/#findComment-73140 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassius Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 The trains are definitely getting busier, the 7.51 is a total scrum. One day last week it was so full that no-one could move their arm enough to open the door at London Bridge and we had to wait until someone outside opened the door. Fridays is bearable - just! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/2465-are-the-trains-getting-busier/#findComment-73144 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annasfield Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 Yes and later Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/2465-are-the-trains-getting-busier/#findComment-73145 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jah Lush Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 Lack of carriages doesn't help either. I think this train is heading for the lounge. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/2465-are-the-trains-getting-busier/#findComment-73153 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ladygooner Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 I get a seat on the 8.15 to London Bridge most mornings - the trick is to go to the back of the train Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/2465-are-the-trains-getting-busier/#findComment-73161 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendan Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 SeanMacGabhann Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> on the 8:45 to Blackfriars???? I'd be amazed if> you could get a seat at that hour (even if you> could in the past, yes yes I hear you)You can and I normally do. Just not this morning. You have to know which carriage to pick though. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/2465-are-the-trains-getting-busier/#findComment-73169 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kford Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 Trains and buses packed with the proletariat - that's Ken's dream, isn't it? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/2465-are-the-trains-getting-busier/#findComment-73183 Share on other sites More sharing options...
peckhamboy Posted January 23, 2008 Author Share Posted January 23, 2008 Proletariat? In ED? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/2465-are-the-trains-getting-busier/#findComment-73190 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kford Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 Ha! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/2465-are-the-trains-getting-busier/#findComment-73194 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanMacGabhann Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 C'mon kford - what's with the phrase "proletariat" - at least in the derogatory sense you used it?It gives the lie to the usual excuse "well, i WOULD use public transport if only they would improve it"a lot more people on trains and buses (and more of trains and buses) isn't just Ken's dream y'know... Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/2465-are-the-trains-getting-busier/#findComment-73198 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kford Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 Actually, I was wrong: it should've been 'packed with the bourgeoisie'. Apologies to the proletariat. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/2465-are-the-trains-getting-busier/#findComment-73205 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanMacGabhann Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 binary thinking in action Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/2465-are-the-trains-getting-busier/#findComment-73206 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GemmaT Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 I totally agree with the trains getting busier, also they seem to be breaking down a lot more recently (last night it took me 1 hour and 45 mins to get home and it usually takes me 45!). I have only lived in East Dulwich since September but have definately seen an increase in numbers on the trains. I am lucky as I get on the 8.41 and always manage to get a seat, but my Partner gets the 7.51 which sometimes he cannot even get on at ED as it is so busy! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/2465-are-the-trains-getting-busier/#findComment-73215 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jctg Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 The trains are getting busier. And the tube. And the buses. That's why the train fares recently went up by over the rate of inflation. Again. Explicitly to dissuade people from using the train due to over-capacity. And therefore to get them to use their cars. You really couldn't make it up (as they say). Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/2465-are-the-trains-getting-busier/#findComment-73227 Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt_birdseye Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 I squeezed onto the 8.36 this morning and trod on some poor lady's foot. To make it worse I couldn't actually remove my foot until the doors closed. She didn't look impressed, despite my apologies. The 8.41 is a winner though, you can always get a seat on that one. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/2465-are-the-trains-getting-busier/#findComment-73228 Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjaminty Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 I think they are all getting worse. I stopped using ED about a year ago and jump on a bus to Denmark Hill.I do know that TfL is going through massive massive change and are looking to invest some serious money across London on all modes. They simply have to if they are to support the London Olympics. It's not just extension of east london line we always hear about but true investment in infrastructure across the board that TfL has been guilty of not doing for a very very long time.So I'd say that whilst short term things will be quite bad, it will get better. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/2465-are-the-trains-getting-busier/#findComment-73232 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayesgrover Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 I was thinking just the same thing! I get the 7.29 and regularly don't get a seat. Also I often get quite a late train back (19.49, 20.19, 20.49) and they are often busy too! Obviously, that says as much about my sad existence as it does about the trains though... Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/2465-are-the-trains-getting-busier/#findComment-73244 Share on other sites More sharing options...
???? Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 Think about it - Now is just about the busiest time of the year - just after Christmas break, no half terms etc, most people grinding out January...early December's another shit time too Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/2465-are-the-trains-getting-busier/#findComment-73253 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asset Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 the population of london has increased massively in the last 10 years; about 1.5 million more people cramming onto fewer trains. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/2465-are-the-trains-getting-busier/#findComment-73254 Share on other sites More sharing options...
???? Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 JCTG - the fares didn't go up to make people use their cars - why would profit orientated private train companies want to do that????? They went up because commuters have no choice - if you add in congestion charge and parking a cars still far far more expensive. Are you mad? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/2465-are-the-trains-getting-busier/#findComment-73256 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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