Application for extended late licence at the Great Exhibition

[BigED]

Hello piazzola, how did your meeting with the council go?

BigED

[rye_lass]

I'll admit I haven't read the whole thread - but has anyone tried to meet with the owners to discuss the objections?

This online community of ours is great for sharing opinions and raising issues - but you can't beat speaking to someone face to face.

[pipsky2008]

James Barber Wrote:

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> I've formally objected. Been meaning to do this

> for ages. I know my ward colleagues are planning

> to formally object.

> Really ill considered application adding extra 3

> hours of opening Thurs, Fri and Sat nights as well

> as all bank holidays. Talk of a new courtyard for

> drinking presumably until 2.30am but no mention of

> a noise report to confirm noise wont disturb

> neighbours.

>

> Once this application is out the way I'd like

> nearby residents to confirm or deny that the

> outside area being used until 23.30 every night is

> a problem or not. If it is I'll ask for a licence

> review.

Is it a necessary for a licensing applicant to initiate a noise report. Is it a formal part of the process or not?

Thanks

[KidKruger]

rye_lass:

"I'll admit I haven't read the whole thread - but has anyone tried to meet with the owners to discuss the objections ?

.....you can't beat speaking to someone face to face".

The way the GE polled local opinion before applying for the licence extensions ?!

[piazzola]

Dear neighbours,

Thanks for all your support. Due to the objections the matter of the Great Exhibition's license extension will go to a hearing on August 30th. This is good news as it means the Council will further scrutinise the matter before making a decison.

We met the Council and handed in the petition. Jonathan Mitchell also met with us and as James said has submitted an objection, together with James and Rosie. Thanks to all 3 Councillors for their support, we really appreciate it!

Given the number of objections and serious concerns raised by neighbours, Councillors and Tessa Jowell MP (who has sent a letter objecting to the proposal) WE WOULD LIKE THE GREAT EXHIBITION TO WITHDRAW THIS APPLICATION, ahead of the hearing.

We are currently exploring other issues with the license, as James has outlined on his message above. Please if you live in the vicinity of TGE and would like to discuss this with us, PM me.

All the best

[JohnL]

We in Peckham Rye made a large number of

objections to new betting shops in Rye Lane

and Peckham High Street recently, it was ignored.

Knocked the community spirit back somewhat

Unfortunately. Hope you do better with the

Council.

bsand Wrote:

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> You'd think given the strength of local opinion

> and the amount of objections that seem to have

> been officially lodged that GE should publically

> and gracefully withdraw.

[DulwichFox]

piazzola Wrote:

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> Dear neighbours,

>

> Thanks for all your support. Due to the objections

> the matter of the Great Exhibition's license

> extension will go to a hearing on August 30th.

> This is good news as it means the Council will

> further scrutinise the matter before making a

> decison.

>

> We met the Council and handed in the petition.

> Jonathan Mitchell also met with us and as James

> said has submitted an objection, together with

> James and Rosie. Thanks to all 3 Councillors for

> their support, we really appreciate it!

>

> Given the number of objections and serious

> concerns raised by neighbours, Councillors and

> Tessa Jowell MP (who has sent a letter objecting

> to the proposal) WE WOULD LIKE THE GREAT

> EXHIBITION TO WITHDRAW THIS APPLICATION, ahead of

> the hearing.

>

> We are currently exploring other issues with the

> license, as James has outlined on his message

> above. Please if you live in the vicinity of TGE

> and would like to discuss this with us, PM me.

>

> All the best

Hi Piazzola..

I'm not sure of the Technicalities.

If they withdraw the application they may be able to re apply at a later date.

Which would mean all the work the local folk have done with objections may need to be done again.

If the application goes ahead and gets Rejected, that may be better for all.

How do you see this.

Fox.

[DJKillaQueen]

The difference between Rye Lane and the GE John, is that one is a retail area and the other is residential.

The council can only consider objections in relation to four catagories, none of which would be relevant to a betting shop situated in retail high street, opening normal retail hours. It's not that the licensing committee ignored those objections, but that they felt they had no merit given the location and nature of the application.

With the GE however, there is a very good case to argue that extension of hours will have a detrimental impact on neighbouring residents within the criteria of the four catagories allowed for objection. Personally (and given the history of licensing committees) I can not see the GE application being successful in it's current form. The GE will however be able to make ammended applications in the future if this one fails, so unfortunately it may well be an ongoing issue for local residents.

[JohnL]

Ironically someone will be trying to sell flats in

That building above the soon to be betting shop, and

I live above another. My hope is the bottom end

Of Rye Lane and Peckham Rye change gradually. (

The rye hotel is a good neighbour).

But GE is a much quieter area I know (partial to a pint

In the Actress). Can't really see what the The GE gains

From disrupting the neighbourhood there - hope it doesn't

Intend to go he way of the old FHT.

DJKillaQueen Wrote:

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> The difference between Rye Lane and the GE John,

> is that one is a retail area and the other is

> residential.

>

> The council can only consider objections in

> relation to four catagories, none of which would

> be relevant to a betting shop situated in retail

> high street, opening normal retail hours. It's not

> that the licensing committee ignored those

> objections, but that they felt they had no merit

> given the location and nature of the application.

>

> With the GE however, there is a very good case to

> argue that extension of hours will have a

> detrimental impact on neighbouring residents

> within the criteria of the four catagories allowed

> for objection. Personally (and given the history

> of licensing committees) I can not see the GE

> application being successful in it's current form.

> The GE will however be able to make ammended

> applications in the future if this one fails, so

> unfortunately it may well be an ongoing issue for

> local residents.

[Mutrik]

Have to say that I was quite pleased that the pub was refurbished and was looking forward to a really nice local pub being on my door step. Little did I know that the new owners got the license changed straight away so that they can be open for longer than CPT could and in particular that they are allowed to have doors and windows open until the pub closes at 12.30 so that us 'lucky' neighbours get to listen to the music as we try to go to bed.... Would have been nice to be consulted when the original license was granted. To now apply for an extended license to 2.30 with dancing is ridiculous as this is a residential area. Have had no choice but to object to the council. I am being disturbed enough as it is now.

[DulwichFox]

Did speak to one of the management team a while back...

I mentioned Security as I thought any late license would require Security.

The guy I spoke to quoted that Security would not be nessecary as they were not on the main drag.

And that it was only going to cost ?50.00 or so if it was needed.

I was under the impression that the bars on Lordship Lane pay a lot more than that for their security..

They obviously had not even thought about it.

Fox

[Sue]

DulwichFox Wrote:

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> The guy I spoke to quoted that Security would not

> be nessecary as they were not on the main drag.

>

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That's weird, because The Actress sometimes has a bouncer on (I think) Friday and Saturday nights, and they aren't on the main drag either.

[DulwichFox]

Sue Wrote:

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> DulwichFox Wrote:

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> > The guy I spoke to quoted that Security would

> not

> > be nessecary as they were not on the main drag.

> >

>

> xxxxxxxx

>

> That's weird, because The Actress sometimes has a

> bouncer on (I think) Friday and Saturday nights,

> and they aren't on the main drag either.

That's right. I have seen them on occasssion ??

What time does the Actress close.

Dont think it is 02.00 / 02.30 Could be wrong .

I'm fast asleep by that time. :)

Fox.

[Mutrik]

Actress closes at 12.30 on Fridays and Saturdays.

[DulwichFox]

Mutrik Wrote:

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> Actress closes at 12.30 on Fridays and Saturdays.

So when the Actress shuts or gets near closing time I can see the Pilgramige to the Great Exhibition

should they get their extention. Great news for Crystal Palace Rd. Residents.

Fox.

[DJKillaQueen]

The usual deal with licensing is that any premise with late licensing is required to have door staff after 11 pm. Location has nothing to do with it. It's a standard requirement with most late licenses.

[ED Resident]

There's clearly a lot of local objection to this application.

Worth noting (as is referenced above) that the existing license conditions, and behaviour of the proprietors of the pub, are unreasonable.

Should you be disturbed by the pub:

- Call the Southwark Noise Complaint hotline on 020 7525 5777.

- Email '[email protected]'

- Keep a log of the disturbance (times, dates, reasons)

Maintaining the volume of complaints to the Council will help to highlight the level of disturbance caused by the pub. The council employees will want a quiet life as much as local residents, so make the Pub's nuisance behaviour as much a part of their lives as ours.

[pipsky2008]

DJKillaQueen Wrote:

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> The usual deal with licensing is that any premise

> with late licensing is required to have door staff

> after 11 pm. Location has nothing to do with it.

> It's a standard requirement with most late

> licenses.

Is it a standard requirement? Do you have a link to Southwark licensing that says that?

Do you happen to know anything about T.E.N, temporary event notices by any chance. Thanks

[MrBen]

Update: Southwark have written to all objectors to advise this will now go to a public hearing on 30th August.

Quote:

"LICENSING ACT 2003 - NOTICE OF HEARING

Thursday 30 August 2012 at 10.00

Great Exhibition P.H, 193 Crystal Palace Road, SE22

I refer to the application made under the Licensing Act 2003, for the variation of the licence in respect of the above-named premises and to your representation to it.

In consideration of this representation, this letter notifies you formally that the application and relevant representations will be considered by Southwark Council?s Licensing Sub-Committee at 10.00 on Thursday 30 August June 2012 at Southwark Council Offices, 160 Tooley Street, London SE1 2QH. Room G02B.

A report will be prepared prior to the hearing, which will include a copy of your application and the letters making representations. A copy of the report will be sent to you as soon as it is available and this will also be made available on the Council?s website at www.southwark.gov.uk "

As much support as possible would be a good thing....

[Alan Medic]

Anyone invited to a 'conciliation' meeting at the pub on the 16th? Anyone going?

[Mutrik]

Is this the Great Exhibition organising the meeting on the 16th or the Council?

[Alan Medic]

The council.

[Alan Medic]

Dear Sir/Madam

LICENSING ACT 2003

GREAT EXHIBITION, 193 CRYSTAL PALACE ROAD, LONDON SE22

I refer to the application for a variation of the Premises Licence in respect of the above named premises.

It is the Councils practice in cases where there is opposition to licences to offer the objectors the opportunity to attend a conciliation meeting with the Councils Licensing Officer and the applicant to discuss the concerns raised and to see whether any solutions can be offered.

I would therefore like to invite you to attend a conciliation meeting at the Great Exhibition PH, 193 Crystal Palace Road, London SE22 on Thursday 16 August 2012 at 18.30. It is the Council?s practice to arrange conciliation meetings at the premises concerned.

However, should you prefer an alternative venue then please let me know as soon as possible.

I would be grateful if you would let me know if you do not wish to attend in advance of this meeting. (this to have a guide on numbers). The application is already scheduled for determination on 30 August 2012.

I look forward to meeting with you.

Yours sincerely

D mills

Dorcas Mills

Principal Licensing Officer

[email protected]

[Sue]

That's a very good idea - I didn't know the council did that.

I guess they want to make sure the formal hearing doesn't go on for hours and hours so they get as much of the discussion done as possible beforehand?

[giggirl]

I had an invite to the conciliation meeting too Alan Medic. What's it all about? Will there be booze?