Application for extended late licence at the Great Exhibition

[DJKillaQueen]

Errr..TENS are limited to 10 or 12 applications a year so not exactly as many times as they like is it? And any variation of licence has to go through the same consultation process.

[giggirl]

Meanwhile, at a pub in Lambeth

http://www.slp.co.uk/News.cfm?id=28146&headline=Noisy%20bar%20loses%20late%20licence%20after%20outcry

[Earl Aelfheah]

...but did the ?Tia Maria? have people chatting, in a small yard, until 9.30?

[JohnL]

All these pubs are welcome to come and open on Rye Lane.

Nobody will hear a peep from them over the commotion of cars, buses, lorries,

planes, hustlers, cops, robbers, firemen, circus performers et al.

I am used to it now after 5 years.

giggirl Wrote:

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> Meanwhile, at a pub in Lambeth

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> http://www.slp.co.uk/News.cfm?id=28146&headline=No

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[the-e-dealer]

PARDON?

[BigED]

A (possibly) final reminder that the Licensing Committee hearing covering the application by The Great Exhibition and Zelgrain is taking place tomorrow morning, Thursday 30 August:

Ground Floor Meeting Room G02B - 160 Tooley Street, London SE1 2QH. Nearest station: London Bridge.

I know a number of local residents will be making the journey, taking time off work, giving their views to the committee, etc. Thanks to all of them who are able to do so and have let the council know.

As a result of the withdrawal by TGE/Zelgrain of most of the points in the original application (following the conciliation meeting in East Dulwich Community Centre), the remaining issue is over the status of the rear courtyard (The Gin Yard) - whether it can be used and, if so, during what hours and on what days. For those living close by, a key factor is that this courtyard was not previously open to patrons when the pub was the CPT and its use by patrons does have a significant noise impact on some neigbours in particular.

As I understand it, the licensing committee on Thursday won't be considering wider issues of noise from the pub, whether from inside or from the front and side terraces. That would need to be the subject of a licensing review which residents can push for in due course.

Personally, I'm pleased that TGE/Zelgrain withdrew most of their application - I don't suppose they realised the extent of hostility before the conciliation meeting but their response was sensible (and yes, with a bit of effort they could have found out easily enough, but let's assume they were carried away by the fact that plenty of people - me included - do enjoy going there for a drink).

In the meantime, if there are problems with noise from TGE (or from any pubs) then you can call the 101 non-emergency number and the Southwark Council noise hotline (don't have it to hand, sorry) - do make sure they record the details and give you a reference number as it can be helpful in the event of a licensing review. And let's hope we don't need to call them - what with the complaints on the EDF about the aeroplanes coming in just after 4:00 am and the recent possibility of TGE not closing up until 02:30, we would all have been getting super-cranky. (Unlike the posters on this thread, of course.)

[Otta]

Bravo BigED, finally a good clear post.

[billybiro]

Otta Wrote:

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> Bravo BigED, finally a good clear post.

Glad you recognise. Maybe you should take note for your future posts!

[BigED]

Just back from the licensing sub-committee meeting - many thanks to all who attended and especially those who spoke. And thanks also to everyone who has submitted objections, signed petitions and attended meetings.

The outcome:

- The rear courtyard ("the Gin Yard") to close to patrons at 9.00 pm every day

- The front and side terraces to close to patrons at 10.30 every day.

The applicant and other interested parties have 21 days to appeal but it seems a fair decision to me all round.

Unless there is an appeal, let's see how the new rules bed down. Any breaches of these conditions and any excessive noise can be reported via the 101 non-emergecy number (make sure you get them to log the call). With a bit of luck and good will and effort on the part of The Great Exhibition, we won't need to be calling.

Thanks again to all for their support.

[DulwichFox]

Big Thank you to BigED for all the work he has put in on our behalf.

Well done.

Fox.

[djsenior]

Congratulations to the residents nr TGE for this resounding victory, poor TGE can't have expected such a vigorous response and they may think twice about how to conduct themselves with their neighbours in future, we shall see.

If any noise is heard outside of legal hours, then please report it.

To TGE, why don't you hold a evening of peace and friendship and invite all the local residents, to build bridges and work WITH them rather than irritating them all as you have done since opening..

[Otta]

Just to clarify, if you want a smoke after 10:30, can you still nip out and have one (as you have always been able to in the past)?

[BigED]

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> Just to clarify, if you want a smoke after 10:30,

> can you still nip out and have one (as you have

> always been able to in the past)?

As I understand it, yes. But I think you won't be able to take your drink outside. And the terrace areas and benches are not supposed to be in use. It'll be up to TGE to make sure they and their patrons comply with the licensing conditions. But smokers will still be able to nip outside for a quick gasper.

[DulwichFox]

Wonder when we are going to see Smokers who become ill sueing Establishments who are deemed to

encourage Smoking by providing special areas for people to do so.. ?

Fox.

[Alan Medic]

Never Fox. Smokers will go out the entrance if they have to.

[I hammer]

So what are closing times at TGE @ weekends?

[DulwichFox]

Alan Medic Wrote:

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> Never Fox. Smokers will go out the entrance if

> they have to.

What does that mean ???

What has that got to do with what I posted.

Fox.

[James Barber]

Well done to everyone who helped ensure some common sense and eecially those able to attend the hearing today. Cllr Jonathan Mitchell has fed back how it went. Sadly due to a new job I wasn't able to attend this time myself.

[spanglysteve]

Yes well done to all those busy-body nimbys who oppose good community pubs in the area. You guys seriously need to get a grip. The pub had been there for over 100 years, so lets face facts, you chose to move next to a pub, not the other way around. That you now complain about noise shows you to be pretty naive.Was 2130 really that late?

[DJKillaQueen]

Common sense says that smokers will still have to go outside to smoke whatever the hour and any establishment can not control every aspect of chatter between people. As someone that has had to deal with Police after a 101 call about noise only to have the police tell me they actually didn't think it was a warranted call when they got there.....bear in mind that 101 is a police line and police do not carry out a role of enforcing licensing, nor dealing with minor noise issues, unless there is a serious incident or disturbance.

[Alan Medic]

DulwichFox Wrote:

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> Alan Medic Wrote:

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> > Never Fox. Smokers will go out the entrance if

> > they have to.

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>

> What does that mean ???

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> What has that got to do with what I posted.

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> Fox.

It's means that smokers will go outside to smoke with or without a special area being reserved for them.

[Otta]

The pub probably wish they'd never started all this, because they've ended up much worse off.

People always sat out front on summer nights until closing and it was never a problem. In the past though the staff would have come out and had a polite word if the sound was getting too much, and that's all it took.

[LJ23]

djsenior Wrote:

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> Congratulations to the residents nr TGE for this

> resounding victory, poor TGE can't have expected

> such a vigorous response and they may think twice

> about how to conduct themselves with their

> neighbours in future, we shall see.

>

> If any noise is heard outside of legal hours, then

> please report it.

>

> To TGE, why don't you hold a evening of peace and

> friendship and invite all the local residents, to

> build bridges and work WITH them rather than

> irritating them all as you have done since

> opening..

[woodland]

spangly steve - I agree in part - if the pub has been there for 100 years then those who live next to a pub bought their houses did so knowing they were living next to a pub.

That said - extended hours aren't part of the original plan but I do think that 9:30 is far far too early.

TGE is a good pub and as much as a part of the community as other places.

[snowy]

giggirl Wrote:

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> Meanwhile, at a pub in Lambeth

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> http://www.slp.co.uk/News.cfm?id=28146&headline=No

> isy%20bar%20loses%20late%20licence%20after%20outcr

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The irony being that in its previous incarnation as an old Irish boozer, the Wheatsheaf had some pretty lax and riotous lock ins, that never seemed to end.