Who to vote for?

[Spartacus]

Captain Marvel Wrote:

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> Economic genius

Dad

Is that you in the photo ?

[Captain Marvel]

That's me at the back laughing at the razor dodging old fraud

[TheArtfulDogger]

Oh

I kind of saw you as the person in the front of the photo myself.....

Oh well guess you just can't judge the looks of a poster by her posts 😂

[Captain Marvel]

Are you disparaging the leader of the Labour party?

[JohnL]

Spartacus Wrote:

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> It's almost as if labour DON'T want to win the

> election with their manifesto and policies

>

> After all it took them long enough to agree to one

> 🤓

No Manifesto out yet for Labour or Tories

I wouldn't be surprised if the Labour Manifesto is quite well done (as in 2017)

[DulwichFox]

What difference does it make to be able to See / Read ANY Manifesto?

Most Manifestos (From any Party)are Full of unachievable Empty Promises...

DulwichFox

[diable rouge]

So what do you base your vote on?...

[Loutwo]

In the Camberwell and Peckham constituency, the Workers Revolutionary Party will be standing. If I could flip constituencies to vote for them, I would.

Louisa.

[stepdown]

Loutwo Wrote:

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> In the Camberwell and Peckham constituency, the

> Workers Revolutionary Party will be standing. If I

> could flip constituencies to vote for them, I would.

Dread to think what polling figures you're inventing to support that intention.

[Sue]

DulwichFox Wrote:

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> What difference does it make to be able to See /

> Read ANY Manifesto?

>

> Most Manifestos (From any Party)are Full of

> unachievable Empty Promises...

>

Surely manifestos say (or should say) how they are going to achieve their promises?

Including where they are going to get the money from to fund said promises?

[TheArtfulDogger]

Sue , it's obvious how they are going to fund it (regardless of party) squeeze stones till they bleed

[DulwichFox]

diable rouge Wrote:

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> So what do you base your vote on?...

http://www.sportingcollectibles.com/adagdt/ag36941spinner.jpg

I doubt I shall be voting this time. What is the point ?

People who do not get their own way will demanding a recount..

Blocking roads in central London and throwing their Toys out of their prams.

True Democracy in this country is dead.

[cella]

DulwichFox Wrote:

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> diable rouge Wrote:

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> > So what do you base your vote on?...

>

> http://www.sportingcollectibles.com/adagdt/ag36941

> spinner.jpg

>

> I doubt I shall be voting this time. What is the

> point ?

> People who do not get their own way will demanding

> a recount..

> Blocking roads in central London and throwing

> their Toys out of their prams.

> True Democracy in this country is dead.

Well it is almost December and time for the Grinch. True democracy is not dead. You live in a liberal, democratic country with a relatively free press and have a vote. People died for this right and queue round the block in other countries to use theirs at personal risk. Certainly we are living through unique and troubling times but the repercussions after this election will massively affect everybody for the forseeable future. If you don't vote you will not have made your own contribution and almost certainly won't be listened to on anything by anybody by choosing to opt out. Exercise your vote.

[Sue]

TheArtfulDogger Wrote:

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> Sue , it's obvious how they are going to fund it

> (regardless of party) squeeze stones till they

> bleed

Well, it depends on which stones they squeeze, doesn't it?

I would prefer they were rich stones, who can afford to lose 99% of their money and still be very rich indeed.

I would prefer that they weren't poor stones, who can ill afford to lose any more than the Tories have already squeezed out of them.

[Sue]

DulwichFox Wrote:

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>

> I doubt I shall be voting this time. What is the

> point ?

People have died to fight for your right to live in a free country and to vote.

[DulwichFox]

Sue Wrote:

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> DulwichFox Wrote:

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> >

> > I doubt I shall be voting this time. What is

> the

> > point ?

>

>

> People have died to fight for your right to live

> in a free country and to vote.

That's right.. I voted for Blair and what did he do ?

He sent British Troops to die in Iraq in an 'Illegal' war.

Thatcher sent Thousands to fight in The Falklands 7,000 miles away many were killed,

What are you actually voting for ??

Voting is not compulsory in the UK. Only in dictatorships. Is that what you want ??

Sorry.. Did not mean to send as a PM.

[Sephiroth]

"That's right.. I voted for Blair and what did he do ?

He sent British Troops to die in Iraq in an 'Illegal' war."

Not to support the war in anyway but

Majority of uk voters were behind that war

after the war they subsequently voted him back in again

A democracy doesn't function by wondering how any single voter thinks - its partly a summary of how everyone thinks

[TheCat]

DulwichFox Wrote:

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> Voting is not compulsory in the UK. Only in

> dictatorships. Is that what you want ??

>

Huh?.....like those well known dictatorships of Australia, Belgium, and switzerland? (To name just a few)

[Sue]

DulwichFox Wrote:

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> Voting is not compulsory in the UK. Only in

> dictatorships. Is that what you want ??

>

I stand to be corrected, but I thought the point about voting in dictatorships is not that voting is compulsory (although I'm sure it is), but that you are told who/what to vote for, and that they make very certain that you do vote that way.

I would be all in favour of compulsory voting in this country (with possibly some sort of get-out as for conscientious objectors in the war? I admit that I have not thought this through at all :)) )

But the whole voting system needs to be overhauled first.

[JohnL]

People died for our right not to vote and to stay in the pub to be truly honest.

It's up to those two great politicians Boris Johnson and Jeremy Corbyn to persuade us to vote - if we don't you can make your own judgement on what is being said.

[JohnL]

Oh and this morning Boris seemed to be peering through a toilet seat (or maybe it was a wheel)

he looked stupid anyway.

[JohnL]

Labour meanwhile are offering all public sector workers a 5% pay rise come April 2020. I liked their 2017 manifesto but can we really afford that as it seems a lot (or is there some small print).

Fully costed though apparently.

[Sue]

JohnL Wrote:

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> Labour meanwhile are offering all public sector

> workers a 5% pay rise come April 2020. I liked

> their 2017 manifesto but can we really afford that

> as it seems a lot (or is there some small print).

>

> Fully costed though apparently.

Perhaps by making billionaire tax avoiders pay up??

Those who haven't left the country to live in luxury elsewhere, of course.

[fishbiscuits]

"Fully costed"... as Labour keep telling us. Except their massive re-nationalisation scheme will involve...

- Issuing tens, or hundreds of billions of pounds worth of bonds

- Buying shares at inflated rates, either due to typical takeover premiums, or market shock, or both

- Relying on these companies to return almost perpetual profit to meet bond repayments, impeding reinvestment

- Depreciating assets due to natural decline of some sectors (e.g. mail)

[fishbiscuits]

Rail nationalisation is slightly less problematic, due to expiring franchises. But the problem I see here is that as soon as a Tory government gets back in, they will be starved of funding, and we'll be back to another 1980s British Rail scenario.