Who to vote for?

[diable rouge]

Rockets Wrote:

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> Failing to address the rampant anti-Semitism

> within the party.

This has been an ongoing problem, and although important to address as a whole, it's not relevant to the specific point you were making about the campaigning of the last few weeks.

> The divisive anyone with wealth is evil rhetoric.

Have you got any actual specifics where this has been said during the campaign?

> The spin over the NHS and Trump.

In the summer Trump said himself that the NHS was on the table re. a post Brexit deal with the US, so why shouldn't Labour bring it up?

> The lies (even over something as straight-forward

> as whether Jeremy watches the Queen's speech)

He got caught out, but then again who's to say he didn't watch the speech on catch-up TV, there's so much on TV over Christmas it's hard to watch everything you want to at the time it's transmitted. I'm more concerned that by not watching the speech he's somehow painted as being a traitor, when 9 out of 10 people in the country do the same.

> The origins of the leaked documents.

I assume that you're referring to the NHS docs some people have said emanate from Russian sources? Has this been verified? If not then it's just heresay. Regardless of the source, what the docs highlighted is that drug patents are a US negotiating objective in trade talks, something that has been stated by the US previously. Johnson denied the NHS was on the table, so Labour had every right to bring it up.

> The costed yet un-costed manifesto.

'Creative accountancy' is hardly new when it comes to election manifestos, this is hardly a new low. Besides, all The manifesto are there to be costed by independent sources and called out, which they often are.

> The doctoring of videos to misrepresent the views

> of others (yes, Labour did it too)

I haven't seen any apart from the one the Tories did on Keir Starmer at the beginning of the campaign which the MSM picked up on. This is something that concerns me though and I feel it needs to be nipped in the bud as it won't be long before the technology is there to doctor live feeds. Very scary.

> The use of a 4 year old boy as a political

> football

Hardly new, does 'Jennifer's ear' ring a bell?

> The blatant attempts to try and bribe elements of

> the electorate with "free stuff".

Again, hardly new, I don't see any difference between doing this and, say, a tax cut. I think most people know there is a large cake which is cut up and 'given away', who gets what depends on who they're trying to attract, and equally they know any Gov will claim it back somehow.

> The constant attacks on any media that they don't

> think is toeing the line or dares to question what

> or how they are trying to do it.

Have you read the Daily Mail, Express, telegraph, Times lately? I think under such a constant onslaught from a hostile right wing press they have every right to defend themselves.

> The holier than tho attitude when their own house

> is not in order

> The endless virtue-signalling

I think the use of 'virtue-signalling' has itself become a form of virtue-signalling.

> Need I go on?

No, I've already missed Eastenders. A lot of what you say reads as opinion dressed up as fact and isn't relevant to your original point. Also I don't think you can say one side has been as bad as the other, i.e. of equivalence, but that's just my opinion. Time to watch catch-up myself...

[pk]

Hemingway Wrote:

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> ?who you voting for this without flaws?

>

> Islamaphobia ok??

>

> Don?t think the Green Party have form on this.

>

> you?re so tribal that anyone who criticise the

> Labour Party is a Tory.

I asked a question

You draw a false conclusion

And didn?t answer the question

What a bullshiter

[diable rouge]

If you think it's bad now, just wait until 10 o'clock comes...

[Sephiroth]

Don?t think the Green Party have form on this.

you?re so tribal that anyone who criticise the Labour Party is a Tory.

?

You are still picking and choosing. I addressed all of this. Nothing tribal here. I hate Corbyn and won?t vote labour

But voting green just enables one of Johnson or Corbyn more power. One of them will win. The trick is to prevent both from a majority. Voting green won?t help that (Brighton excepted)

[Hemingway]

I?m voting green you fuckwit

[pk]

Hemingway Wrote:

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> I?m voting green you @#$%&

You remain now then?

[Hemingway]

Post for pk for clarity and was feckwit that got bleeped

[Sephiroth]

?

[Hemingway]

Er, Yes. I voted remain in the referendum

[pk]

Hemingway Wrote:

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> Er, Yes. I voted remain in the referendum

Apologies

[pk]

For suggesting you were leave

Not for calling you a bullshiter

[Hemingway]

Ok. Apologies from me for the Feckwit comment

[Hemingway]

Oh so you are a feckwit after all. Why am I a bullshitter? Not taking it very seriously from someone whose already called me out for being a Brexiter based on Feck knows what

[Blah Blah]

Hemingway Wrote:

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> As for the Labour Party and antisemitism, the AS

> of the hard left is not the AS of fascism or the

> hard right

>

> @#$%& me you couldn?t make it up! What? Is it a

> gentler, kinder anti-semitism?

You really can not cease with the gaslighting can you? No minority should be in fear of a party, no-one would disagree with that. But to equate a Corbyn government with the kind of government that really does give minorities something to fear is nonsense. The hard left AS is an obsession with Zionism, Isreal, and her geo-political standing in the world, whilst having no actual power to affect any of that in any direct way, bar enabling negotiations for some kind of regional peace. And crimes of AS against Jewish citizens are covered by criminal law. Next you will be suggesting that Corbyn will remove any such legal protections. The only valid argument is the same one afforded Boris, in that language and ideas that embolden racists, homophobes, antisemites etc are unacceptable no matter who they come from. Criticising Corbyn but excusing Boris is just pot calling kettle black. You are looking for hypocrisy on one side only, but can't see your own by doing so.

[Hemingway]

Whilst we are on Homophobia. Whilst he was an obscure crank on Labour?s backbenches took, guess who took money from Iranian state TV . A country that literally hangs homosexual men from cranes.

There?s not a scale of anti-semitism. You try and squirm out of it as much as you want. A microcosm of so called progressives all over social media today.

[cella]

Hemingway Wrote:

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> The squirming and contortions on social media by

> people who claim to be non-racists to justify

> voting for an institutionally anti-Semitic party

> which is frightening British jews is a sight to

> behold today. Clearly anti-semitism doesn't really

> count as racism for huge number of laughably

> labelling themselves 'progressives' . Rank,

> hypocrites..makes me want to puke.

Ridiculous and OTT.

[Hemingway]

another in denial or pretending there isn?t a huge problem

[carlafindle]

Hemingway Wrote:

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> another in denial or pretending there isn?t a huge

> problem

Go and have a cold shower you plonker

[Hemingway]

Removed by Admin

[TheCat]

Every since I was a kid. I've looked forward to the election results show. I know it's sad, but its the mathematician in me.....

[Sephiroth]

"Removed by Admin"

Something is up tonight. This isn?t right. This ain?t normal

[Spartacus]

Calm down people ... it's only an election !

[Hemingway]

No it?s not. Just gobsmacked at how many people I genuinely thought were progressive liberal people are excusing the inexcusable. Not on here for clarity, I couldn?t give a feck for the idiotic ramblings of the EDF nowadays

[fishbiscuits]

On Corbyn - I don't personally believe he is antisemitic, but the brand of extreme anti-Israel/anti-zionist sentiment amongst him and his crew leaves them so open to such accusations, they should know better.

If I'm absolutely honest, their Brexit fence-sitting and opaque borrowing plans bother me more.

I've gone LD again, which is going to make sod all difference in Camberwell & Peckham, but hey. The silver lining is that I'll be more than happy with Harriet Harman as MP again.

[Hemingway]

Right I?m off to watch the election. The only outcome I?d even vaguely be happy with is a hung parliament with the LDs and SNs only supporting a minority Labour government if Corbyn and his hard left , anti-Semitic cabal feck off right out of it. A slim hope.