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Rockets

Rockets

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The first results aren?t even in yet and Labour sources are calling for Corbyn?s head saying this is all down to him and his cronies.


If this is even half close to accurate it is worse than 83. This country was ripe for change after years of terrible Tory rule and Labour dropped the ball massively - I hope they learn their lesson and return to a more centre-left electable position.

Loutwo

Loutwo

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Labour?s fence sitting on Brexit and abhorrent treatment of Jewish opinions, saw me vote Green. I changed my mind in the polling station btw.


So after 10 years of Tory rule, the people of this country could not trust the opposition. Says it all, and there will be plenty like myself who made the same judgment call.


No doubt the urban champagne socialists will be cupping their ears and blaming the result on Brexit and not on a unpopular Marxist leader. London?s bubble is just a out of touch echo chamber. Not fit for purpose.


Louisa.

Grove boy

Grove boy

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Blah Blah Wrote:

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> Anything to say about Boris's racism and

> homophobia then. Anything at all? And let's also

> not forget about the British woman languishing in

> an Iranian jail because of Boris's lazy stupidity.

> The man is shameful and yet has no shame. Virtue

> signalling indeed.


It's terrible just like anti-semitism. One doesn't make the other any better or worse, nor does it absolve anyone. Corbyns fence sitting an so called ambiguity over brexit has lost labour stronghold seats for the first time in 40 years,ex mining towns turning blue should never happen. He ignored his core voters and pandered to gullible students and the middle classes, look where that has got him. He couldn't shift the Maybot when he had an open goal, he should have gone then. Hopefully he's gone by Monday so long term labourites can support their party again.

Grove boy

Grove boy

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Labour?s self analysis has started, damning of Corbyn and McDonnell:


Phil Wilson, Labour's candidate in Sedgefield - a Brexit-backing Tory target seat and ex-PM Tony Blair's former constituency - said: "To blame Brexit for the result is mendacious nonsense."

"Jeremy Corbyn's leadership was a bigger problem. To say otherwise is delusional," he added on Twitter.

"The party's leadership went down like a lead balloon on the doorstep."


Likewise Ian Murray, Labour's candidate in Edinburgh South, tweeted: "Every door I knocked on, and my team and I spoke to 11,000 people, mentioned Corbyn."

"Not Brexit but Corbyn. I've been saying this for years. The outcome is that we've let the country down and we must change course and fast."


Former Labour home secretary Alan Johnson told ITV News: "It's Corbyn. We knew that in Parliament."

"We knew he was incapable of leading, we knew he was worse than useless at all the qualities you need to lead a political party."

Rockets

Rockets

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And Dame Margrate Hodge has just said that Labour has beoome the nasty party (which let's admit it is something when you're running against the Tories).


Momentum are blaming the media but they really need to look at themselves. The Marxist strategy may have been palatable for the born-again champagne socialists or the Socialist Worker wielding activists but was not at all palatable to many of the electorate. Of course Brexit played a part but only because Labour failed to determine a clear strategy. Labour has neglected its grass roots and now has some difficult decisions to make. I, for one, hope they abandon the hard-left angry politics and rhetoric and return to the centre-ground - Momentum has, unceremoniously, ground to a halt and the party needs to rid itself of them.


The fact that the last-time Labour had such a hard-left position was in 1983 and they have just done worse than even Michael Foot ought to speak volumes. The party needs to change or it will die.

cella

cella

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Loutwo Wrote:

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> Labour?s fence sitting on Brexit and abhorrent

> treatment of Jewish opinions, saw me vote Green. I

> changed my mind in the polling station btw.

>

> So after 10 years of Tory rule, the people of this

> country could not trust the opposition. Says it

> all, and there will be plenty like myself who made

> the same judgment call.

>

> No doubt the urban champagne socialists will be

> cupping their ears and blaming the result on

> Brexit and not on a unpopular Marxist leader.

> London?s bubble is just a out of touch echo

> chamber. Not fit for purpose.

>

> Louisa.



The fact that you've changed your mind/views several times and then made a snap decision whilst actually in the booth tells us much about the reliability and robustness of your decision making.

cella

cella

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TheCat Wrote:

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> It's notthat bad people. It's more of the same....



You can only be this cavalier if you feel that nothing can shake your secure world. Don't worry about those less confident and fearful. Good luck with that and to all of us.

cella

cella

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Hemingway Wrote:

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> From Twitter

>

> On every level, Corbynism has been a foul debacle.

> It has stunk out British politics. The dustbin of

> history awaits. @#$%& off back to your paper sales

> and meetings above pubs. Give politics back to

> decent people.

>

> Well said


Do you count yourself as decent?

fishbiscuits

fishbiscuits

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Well there's no denying that the Corbyn fanclub have at least partly facilitated this result. Surely even the most blinkered of disciples must realise this.


But as I said before, having a great local MP is a silver lining. It seemed like a good turnout... went fairly late in the evening and there was still a long queue. The ballot box was full and I had to physically stuff my paper in... almost got my fingers stuck!!

JohnL

JohnL

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fishbiscuits Wrote:

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> Well there's no denying that the Corbyn fanclub

> have at least partly facilitated this result.

> Surely even the most blinkered of disciples must

> realise this.

>

> But as I said before, having a great local MP is a

> silver lining. It seemed like a good turnout...

> went fairly late in the evening and there was

> still a long queue. The ballot box was full and I

> had to physically stuff my paper in... almost got

> my fingers stuck!!


@AyoCeasar and Bastani unrepentant - say it's a 30 year project. They've lost even me :)

TheCat

TheCat

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cella Wrote:

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> TheCat Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > It's notthat bad people. It's more of the

> same....

>

>

> You can only be this cavalier if you feel that

> nothing can shake your secure world. Don't worry

> about those less confident and fearful. Good luck

> with that and to all of us.


'More of the same' = cavalier????

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