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Seabag

Seabag

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JohnL Wrote:

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> I tried to build a Garden Bridge

> I ran away and hid in a Fridge

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> Who am I


Oh you?re that bloke, he?s not the one that put his willy in a pig is he?


Same school though, it?s on the tip of my tongue (ew no! not the willy)


Give us another clue please John

Hemingway

Hemingway

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The squirming and contortions on social media by people who claim to be non-racists to justify voting for an institutionally anti-Semitic party which is frightening British jews is a sight to behold today. Clearly anti-semitism doesn't really count as racism for huge number of laughably labelling themselves 'progressives' . Rank, hypocrites..makes me want to puke.
Sephiroth

Sephiroth

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Whichever way the vote goes, we will have a deeply problematical prim minister, with plenty of ammunition against both with regards to racism


Voting for greens (or whoever) as a way of protesting is fine - but it won't stop one of those 2 becoming prime minister


We have to decide which would be worse. That's the brutal choice. It isn't possible to vote to allow Johnson to be PM and not be responsible for his repugnant views


Nobody gets away with a clear conscience here - we just have to choose the least worst


And by targeting ONLY Corbyn as a racist leader, I would say people leave themselves open to accusations of virtue signalling

Grove boy

Grove boy

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Hemingway Wrote:

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> The squirming and contortions on social media by

> people who claim to be non-racists to justify

> voting for an institutionally anti-Semitic party

> which is frightening British jews is a sight to

> behold today. Clearly anti-semitism doesn't really

> count as racism for huge number of laughably

> labelling themselves 'progressives' . Rank,

> hypocrites..makes me want to puke.



Indeed, change the word jew to muslim or black and Corbyn's mob would be having a meltdown. Hypocrites to a man.

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Blah Blah

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Anything to say about Boris's racism and homophobia then. Anything at all? And let's also not forget about the British woman languishing in an Iranian jail because of Boris's lazy stupidity. The man is shameful and yet has no shame. Virtue signalling indeed.
Rockets

Rockets

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I think the propaganda about the NHS was dropped because 1) it was categorically dismissed, in no uncertain terms, by the Tories and Corbyn couldn't flog a dead horse (the 4 year old hospital picture was well timed to do that) and 2) the suggestions are it had been sourced by Russians with links to the Russian Intelligence community. It quickly became a hot potato that Corbyn needed to drop.


Whatever happens in this election I very much hope that the losing party distances itself from the divisive, hate-laden rhetoric that we have seen from both sides and we see one of the big two parties positively position itself more centrally so people can vote for someone with a clear conscience. Both parties have been scraping the bottom of the barrel over the last few weeks and can't say either of them ran a campaign they should be proud of.

diable rouge

diable rouge

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Rockets Wrote:

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> Both parties have been scraping the

> bottom of the barrel over the last few weeks and

> can't say either of them ran a campaign they

> should be proud of.


In what way has Labour been scraping the bottom of the barrel?...

Rockets

Rockets

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Failing to address the rampant anti-Semitism within the party.

The divisive anyone with wealth is evil rhetoric.

The spin over the NHS and Trump.

The lies (even over something as straight-forward as whether Jeremy watches the Queen's speech)

The origins of the leaked documents.

The costed yet un-costed manifesto.

The doctoring of videos to misrepresent the views of others (yes, Labour did it too)

The use of a 4 year old boy as a political football

The blatant attempts to try and bribe elements of the electorate with "free stuff".

The constant attacks on any media that they don't think is toeing the line or dares to question what or how they are trying to do it.

The holier than tho attitude when their own house is not in order

The endless virtue-signalling


Need I go on?


And do not, for one second, think I am somehow defending the Tories, I am not, they have run a gutter campaign too.


The reason many people are struggling with this election is because they are torn between voting for Boris and his ultra right-wing cronies or Jeremy and his ultra-left wing cronies and many people, unless they are wearing blue or rouge (;-)) tinted glasses, really don't want to have to vote for either or want either at the helm of the country.

Rockets

Rockets

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I think Corbyn has to resign if he loses (you can't lose two elections and continue to lead) and I very much hope it allows the more moderate wings of the party to re-take control and give us a Labour party that is much more electable. Of course, this may all be a moot point if he is successful tonight but I cannot help but wonder if there was different leader of the Labour party who wasn't so divisive that they would have romped home with this election.
Hemingway

Hemingway

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Blah Blah Wrote:

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> Anything to say about Boris's racism and

> homophobia then. Anything at all? And let's also

> not forget about the British woman languishing in

> an Iranian jail because of Boris's lazy stupidity.

> The man is shameful and yet has no shame. Virtue

> signalling indeed.


You and Sephiroth need to understand the difference between a racists individual and institutional racism, if you don't then look it uP, if you do then shame on you, defending racism Whataboutery whilst many British Jews are actually terrified about a Corbyn Government. The Labour Party, like only the BNP among political parties, is under investigation by the EHRC. the early submissions from previously loyal members of its own staff are horrific, Jewish MPS have been hounded out of the party. Comparing it to some of Johnsons remarks is disgusting as equivalent. Cleary anti-semitism doesn't matter to you. Standing up against racism is not Virtue Signalling.

Sephiroth

Sephiroth

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"Standing up against racism is not Virtue Signalling."


I completely agree - which is why I never accused you of it for that reason


I agree with pretty much everything you are saying about Corbyn and his handling of the Labour Party. I applaud the likes of Luciana Berger and all the staff who have testified. I want Corbyn, and his cronies gone.


But this is an egregious statement - "Cleary anti-semitism doesn't matter to you.". You have no basis for making that comment whatsoever. You are lashing out and you need to take a breath


You say people are equating institutional racism in the Labour party and Johnson's "remarks". But it goes much larger than that doesn't it? The party of "go home vans". Last week we had them saying "enough of EU citizens thinking they could call UK home" . the party which has Tommy Robinson supporting them. The party where the well of golf-club racists vote Tory because they know


The tories are getting an incredibly easy ride over their racism problems in comparison. You must realise this? I'm not saying this to say "go Labour" - I'm not voting for them. But you are being completely one-sided


"many British Jews are actually terrified about a Corbyn Government" is a true statement and is unnaceptable. They won't feel safe until Corbyn and co are gone. I believe them (equally it's worth listening to many British jews who aren't afraid and continue to support Labour)


The whole thing is a shitshow.


But you are only calling out one side. That's where I targeted the "virtue signal" comment. Once again I 'm not disagreeing with you about anti-semitism

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Hemingway Wrote:

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> You and Sephiroth need to understand the difference between a racists individual and institutional racism, if you don't then look it uP, if you do then shame on you, defending racism Whataboutery whilst many British Jews are actually terrified about a Corbyn Government. The Labour Party, like only the BNP among political parties, is under investigation by the EHRC. the earl submissions from previously loyal members of its own staff are horrific, Jewish MPS have been hounded out of the party. Comparing it to some of Johnsons remarks is disgusting as equivalent. Cleary anti-semitism doesn't matter to you. Standing up against racism is not Virtue Signalling.


Best not to patronise me with definitions of racism. I can destroy you on this issue with a long essay of how appeasement of racist language from mainstream politicians feeds into a wider narrative that emboldens genuine racists and bigots within society. It is no accident that attacks on minorities and migrants have gone up since Brexit and since the election of Trump. No accident at all. Have a think about that.


As for the Labour Party and antisemitism, the AS of the hard left is not the AS of fascism or the hard right. No-one on the hard left is seeking to deport Jews like those on the far right regularly talk of deporting migrants and muslims. AS on the hard left takes the form of anti-Isreali sentiment, wrapped up in anti-capitalist political ideology, which is why it ultimately taps into the same antisemitic tropes found on the far right. But I also understand how the Labour Party works, and how most of the PLP do NOT belong to the hard left. The power for Corbyn to shape policy in those terms is actually far more limited than you realise. You would never see the Labour Party expelling MPs for defying the whip in the same way Johnson did to those 21 MPs on Brexit. So again, have a good think about where the dictatorship really is.


As you can see, I actually have a very good understanding of prejudice and it's manifestations. I just don't ignore one side in order to demonise the other. So take your gas lighting bs somewhere else sunshine. I don't have the faith Sephiroth shows above in you displaying a balanced perspective anytime soon.

pk

pk

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Hemingway Wrote:

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> The squirming and contortions on social media by

> people who claim to be non-racists to justify

> voting for an institutionally anti-Semitic party

> which is frightening British jews is a sight to

> behold today. Clearly anti-semitism doesn't really

> count as racism for huge number of laughably

> labelling themselves 'progressives' . Rank,

> hypocrites..makes me want to puke.


So who you voting for this without flaws?


Islamaphobia ok?

Sephiroth

Sephiroth

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I don?t think Hemingway is voting for either of the main parties.


But like I said, one of those parties is who we will get so we have to find a way to deny both of them power. And that CAN mean voting for one of them to deny the other. WITHOUT Wanting either to win


but if everyone repulsed by both parties just bites green/indie/etc then the risk is one of the main two gets a big majority. Suboptimal


It all totally sucks. But we don?t get a choice as to where we are. Only where we go

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