Dulwich & West Norwood Candidates - Green Party vs Labour

[diable rouge]

Spartacus Wrote:

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> last time labour were in power and how they broke

> the economy resulting in austerity measures being

> required to fix it

Think you'll find that the collapse of the American sub-prime market, Lehmans going under, a run on our own Northern Rock bank, and the general banking system ceasing up with a credit crunch might have contributed a tad...

[Spartacus]

That was a factor, however labour had such high spending before hand that they didn't have the reserves necessary to bail themselves out

Austerity was needed to cover the debt the government was in, not the private sector and banks

Partially caused by propping up a bank that should have failed I admit but the money that should have been used as a reserve was spent on other things so when push came to shove we had a bankrupt government in power

[cella]

You just need to look at what has been spent freely on Brexit Admin and the wild promises from Johnson and compare that with investing in people, jobs, NHS etc, requiring top earners to contribute a bit more, looking at the missing corporation tax payments and bonus culture - it's where most have a vested interest surely?

[diable rouge]

Austerity was a political choice not an economic one, Hammond when Chancellor later admitted as much when he said public finances are best repaired by a growing economy... ''Get the economy growing faster with higher trend productivity growth...grow the GDP, strong real wage growth, rising living standards''

As for whether austerity worked regarding UK government debt (from ONS)...

General government gross debt was ?1,821.3 billion at the end of the financial year ending March 2019, equivalent to 85.2% of gross domestic product (GDP) and 25.2 percentage points above the reference value of 60% set out in the Protocol on the Excessive Deficit Procedure.

General government gross debt first exceeded the 60% Maastricht reference value at the end of the financial year ending March 2010, when it was 69.6% of GDP.

[Loutwo]

cella Wrote:

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> Loutwo Wrote:

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> > The Lib Dem?s could have been in with a decent

> > shout this time, but oddly they stood down for

> the

> > Greens, who stand even less of a chance of

> winning

> > it.

> >

> > Corbyn and his Islington Marxist Party and

> Boris

> > with his Madcap Hard Brexit Party are the only

> > other terrifying options this election. Scary.

> >

> > Louisa.

>

> What is terrifying you about the Labour Party

> manifesto? Surely everything about Johnsons

> journey to date and the many future horrors are

> far more terrifying for working people?

I tell you what is terrifying, it?s the anti-semitism which seems rife within the current version of top-draw ?Labour?. A moderate and predominantly progressive movement seems to have been hijacked by a hard core sinister bunch of people who are not as open minded as they claim. It?s a shame, because genuine moderate centre left people who would like to re-claim the centre ground and stop this Tory led, Brexit chaos are being silenced by someone who has as much love for the EU as Farage and Boris combined.

Louisa.

[Melihoople]

Pugwash Wrote:

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> Jonathon Bartley is the Green Candidate - he is

> the co chair of the Greens. This was announced on

> TV last week. The original LD candidate elected is

> now standing for Lewisham East

>

> More employers should offer flexi hours or job

> shares. I remember during a transport strike many

> years ago I offered to work from 11 am - 7 pm at

> my office (I was a car driver) which enabled me to

> see callers/staff. This only lasted during the

> strike period but my boss was very happy to know

> that he could offer a good 'customer service'

>

> In my professional life, we were allowed to work

> from home - especially if we had lots of report

> writing, many of us had our professional data base

> uploaded to our home laptops/computers and some

> had a works mobile phone. I would rather a more

> flexible working contract to a 4 day week.

>

> As a professional worker - our department had to

> operate a 7 day working week with core hours being

> 9 - 5. Staff offered or were specifically

> appointed to do Friday - Monday (with the option

> of an additional day) Many of my Mon - Fri

> colleagues opted to do the weekends for travelling

> reasons (less crowded trains/roads) less incoming

> calls allowing them to concentrate, more options

> of seeing clients/family members who would

> normally be working during the week)

>

> Proportional Representation would give a more

> balanced political scene - depends to the type of

> PR as to how this would work i.e overall national

> votes giving x number of MPs from each party, or

> voting for individual candidate and then

> additional MPs depending on percentage of votes.

I was interested to see this seat in the remain alliance targets, does anyone have a view as to why the Greens are targeting this one in particular? seat.

[TE44]

The fragility of our planet is the main issue for me, I want to know who takes it seriously enough, what there plans are to deal with the emergency facing us and are they willing to change politics and how it doesnt work. I want a government that reflects peoples views. Im sick of this system that isolates peoe not only from each other but from nature. I believe our existance on this planet is seriosly under threat.

[TheArtfulDogger]

malumbu Wrote:

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> Democracy in action would be you standing, hurry

> up the clock is ticking....

Damn it

Just missed getting my registration to stand by 5 minutes ....

Oh well no one would have voted for the doggin party, at least not if they were sane, sober or on purpose 🤔😅

[fishbiscuits]

Spartacus Wrote:

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> The projected spending alone sends a shiver down my spine

I'm also really uncomfortable with all the spending involved. They're saying that nationalisation of infrastructure doesn't require funding because they're taking an asset in return. But I'm not convinced... if it doesn't return a profit then how are you going to repay the debt? And if it is returning a profit, then what's the advantage to the public?

As for Royal Mail... if that's not an example of a dying industry, then frankly I don't know what is! If they're going to invest huge sums of public money, I'd rather they invested in things that have a future. Renewable energy technology, electric and self-driving vehicles, motor and battery tech, battery-less energy storage, next-gen aviation... etc, etc.

[Spartacus]

More madness from labour

Privatising BT openreach to provide free broadband to all.

Cost is projected to be between 20 and 40 billion and maintenance funded by tax on tech giants (the 40 billion figure is what the BT chief Executive estimated it will really cost)

Great for end users but will kill off other Telecom companies resulting in mass job losses and damage to the economy

Where will all this money JC is proposing to spend come from ? And what will the cost to repay it be ?

Scary numbers yet again from Labour

[uncleglen]

I've never voted Labour, and especially since I was involved in hard left politics in the 1970s I never would. Everything that comes out of the mouths of Lansman, Corbyn and McDonnell etc just confirms my fears that they are very much of that same mindset.

The anti-semitism is a sure-fire way of ensuring the muslim vote.

We only have Brexit 'chaos' because the democratic will of the people, who voted according to their own experiences in their own locales, was ignored and sneered at.

[diable rouge]

uncleglen Wrote:

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> The anti-semitism is a sure-fire way of ensuring

> the muslim vote.

The Jewish and Muslim communities are both smart enough to know when they're being played by racist fascists like yourself

> We only have Brexit 'chaos' because the democratic

> will of the people, who voted according to their

> own experiences in their own locales, was ignored

> and sneered at.

We only have Brexit chaos because what was promised by the Leave campaign has not been delivered, in effect sticking two fingers up to democracy...

[cella]

uncleglen Wrote:

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> I've never voted Labour, and especially since I

> was involved in hard left politics in the 1970s I

> never would. Everything that comes out of the

> mouths of Lansman, Corbyn and McDonnell etc just

> confirms my fears that they are very much of that

> same mindset.

>

And that's a good thing surely?

[Loutwo]

Until this Labour Party sort out their Anti-Semitism they won?t be getting my vote.

Louisa.

[cella]

All parties have these issues - the Conservatives have a massive anti Islamic problem in addition. Also other forms of racism - just ask Javid, Warsi etc.

[Jules-and-Boo]

Since are government is made up of such laughable, failing politicians, why not let's see if Trump can step in and give us a hand, or maybe EU? They would have our best interests at heart.

[Spartacus]

cella Wrote:

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> All parties have these issues - the Conservatives

> have a massive anti Islamic problem in addition.

> Also other forms of racism - just ask Javid, Warsi

> etc.

Proof ?

[Loutwo]

cella Wrote:

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> All parties have these issues - the Conservatives

> have a massive anti Islamic problem in addition.

> Also other forms of racism - just ask Javid, Warsi

> etc.

Well I?m not voting for the Tories either for similar reasons, so that?s not relevant to my vote. I don?t think ?all parties? have issues with racial/religious hatred is a good justification for voting for a party either. I don?t trust Corbyn on this issue, so all his other policies will be ignored until he/Labour does.

The Greens are looking like my only option locally, or a spoiled ballot.

Louisa.

[cella]

Spartacus Wrote:

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> > All parties have these issues - the

> Conservatives

> > have a massive anti Islamic problem in

> addition.

> > Also other forms of racism - just ask Javid,

> Warsi

> > etc.

>

>

> Proof ?

Of what?

Many in the Tories have been suspended for racism - 25 this week. Javid and Warsi, amongst others, have spoken publically about their experiences in the Party. They're still there which is interesting in itself.

From your posts you're clearly anti Labour but you can't claim innocence surely?

[cella]

Loutwo Wrote:

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> cella Wrote:

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> > All parties have these issues - the

> Conservatives

> > have a massive anti Islamic problem in

> addition.

> > Also other forms of racism - just ask Javid,

> Warsi

> > etc.

>

>

> Well I?m not voting for the Tories either for

> similar reasons, so that?s not relevant to my

> vote. I don?t think ?all parties? have issues with

> racial/religious hatred is a good justification

> for voting for a party either. I don?t trust

> Corbyn on this issue, so all his other policies

> will be ignored until he/Labour does.

>

> The Greens are looking like my only option

> locally, or a spoiled ballot.

>

> Louisa.

Not sure why you don't trust Jeremy Corbin more than Johnson who's list of racist/sexist remarks & behaviour is endless.

[Spartacus]

cella Wrote:

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> Spartacus Wrote:

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> > > All parties have these issues - the

> > Conservatives

> > > have a massive anti Islamic problem in

> > addition.

> > > Also other forms of racism - just ask Javid,

> > Warsi

> > > etc.

> >

> >

> > Proof ?

>

> Of what?

> Many in the Tories have been suspended for racism

> - 25 this week. Javid and Warsi, amongst others,

> have spoken publically about their experiences in

> the Party. They're still there which is

> interesting in itself.

> From your posts you're clearly anti Labour but you

> can't claim innocence surely?

I'm not anti anything

I just believe whole hearty that the policies of the labour party at this point in time, will bankrupt the country, drive entrepreneurs and higher rate tax payers to safe heavens and destroy jobs in the private sector as a result of nationalisation and companies that move away as the tax breaks abroad will be better for them

However from your posts you clearly show a bias of pro labour.

Sadly I can't support this incompetence shown by jezza and his policies that ultimately won't deliver anything good for the ordinary person (IMHO)

[cella]

Rather than "bias" a support for all policies that improve the lives of the many. I'm always interested (well, a bit anyway) why people vote for anything other than that. You didn't address the Tory racism.

[Spartacus]

cella Wrote:

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> Rather than "bias" a support for all policies that

> improve the lives of the many. I'm always

> interested (well, a bit anyway) why people vote

> for anything other than that. You didn't address

> the Tory racism.

Nor did you

[Loutwo]

cella Wrote:

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> > > All parties have these issues - the

> > Conservatives

> > > have a massive anti Islamic problem in

> > addition.

> > > Also other forms of racism - just ask Javid,

> > Warsi

> > > etc.

> >

> >

> > Well I?m not voting for the Tories either for

> > similar reasons, so that?s not relevant to my

> > vote. I don?t think ?all parties? have issues

> with

> > racial/religious hatred is a good justification

> > for voting for a party either. I don?t trust

> > Corbyn on this issue, so all his other policies

> > will be ignored until he/Labour does.

> >

> > The Greens are looking like my only option

> > locally, or a spoiled ballot.

> >

> > Louisa.

>

> Not sure why you don't trust Jeremy Corbin more

> than Johnson who's list of racist/sexist remarks &

> behaviour is endless.

At what point did I say I trusted Boris Johnson? I?m confused.

Louisa.

[Hemingway]

Don't worry Lou, it's a hallmark of Corbynistas that everyone who disagrees with the holy one is automatically branded as "Tory Scum"