Alleyns Junior School - planning

[Bicknell]

Theres a planning application in to make Alleyns Junior School bigger. reference number 19/AP/5616 online now - https://planning.southwark.gov.uk. You can comment. So far objections because more cars, more traffic , more pollution.

[herne hilly]

Didn't they re do part of it a few years back. Does the council take note of these comments, how much do they count towards the final decision.

[slarti b]

I had a quick look at the Travel plan drawn up as part of this expansion.

Alleyns expect to increase the number of pupils by 35-42 (seems low for 3 new forms) and have another 6 staff. Over 40% of current junior school pupils and staff come by car. So this will mean an increase in traffic in an area that is already heavily congested by traffic from Alleyns and JAGS. In addition, they will reduce the number of car parking spaces available in the school which, together with the introduction of the CPZ whill put even more pressure on parking in surrounding streets outside the new CPZ such as Calton Avenue, Townley, Dovercourt and Beauval Roads.

We have seen a huge expansion of these 2 schools over the last couple of decades with little regard to the effect on the local community in terms of traffic, pollution and parking. I hope people will look at these plans carefully and let the council know of any concerns they may have.

Link here https://planning.southwark.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=documents&keyVal=PYNGQHKBIKR00

[Bicknell]

Its all the local kids trying to walk to school I worry about. Theres enough bad driving as it is without more cars.

[Metallic]

It is time all the Foundation Schools took notice of people who live near to their schools, and for once thought about young local children walking to the two Infants schools and the Hamlet, through the fumes from their cars and coaches.

The Alleyn's application has a breakdown of how their total pupil group get to school and most of them could get to school - any of the FS - by public transport.

[seenbeen]

I don't know about today but when my kids were at the Hamlet and the infant school in the Village loads of parents drove their kids there. My next door neighbour always drove her kids there in the Volvo estate and it was only a 15 minute walk at the most. Also there were a lot of mums who had to drop young kids off at one or two schools and then drive to work or they would not have been in time...in the main you are talking about removing hard won freedoms from working women

[singalto]

I live near a primary school and lots of children there are driven. Some parents sit in their cars with the engine idling. It?s a universal problem, not just private schools.

[Metallic]

seenbeen Wrote:

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> I don't know about today but when my kids were at

> the Hamlet and the infant school in the Village

> loads of parents drove their kids there. My next

> door neighbour always drove her kids there in the

> Volvo estate and it was only a 15 minute walk at

> the most. Also there were a lot of mums who had to

> drop young kids off at one or two schools and then

> drive to work or they would not have been in

> time...in the main you are talking about removing

> hard won freedoms from working women

These days there is a move to walk or cycle - even scoot. Yes I think there were more local drivers dropping off their children in previous generations but it is nothing to do with protecting the rights of women who are mothers, to work. They should be using public transport after they have delivered their children to school. We are much more aware nowadays of the damage done to the environment our children live in, and to them. Create new habits!!

[sillywoman]

Metallic Wrote:

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> seenbeen Wrote:

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> -----

> > I don't know about today but when my kids were

> at

> > the Hamlet and the infant school in the Village

> > loads of parents drove their kids there. My

> next

> > door neighbour always drove her kids there in

> the

> > Volvo estate and it was only a 15 minute walk

> at

> > the most. Also there were a lot of mums who had

> to

> > drop young kids off at one or two schools and

> then

> > drive to work or they would not have been in

> > time...in the main you are talking about

> removing

> > hard won freedoms from working women

>

> These days there is a move to walk or cycle - even

> scoot. Yes I think there were more local drivers

> dropping off their children in previous

> generations but it is nothing to do with

> protecting the rights of women who are mothers, to

> work. They should be using public transport after

> they have delivered their children to school. We

> are much more aware nowadays of the damage done to

> the environment our children live in, and to them.

> Create new habits!!

Yes, I don't know when seenbeen's children attended, but mine were there 2000-2013, and through that time the huge majority of parents walked their children to the village schools. It was always an irony as we headed past Alleyns and down the hill to DVI & Hamlet, to see all the little darlings being driven UP the hill from outlying areas to JAGs and Alleyns.

[Bicknell]

Objections still coming in https://planning.southwark.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?keyVal=PYNGQHKBIKR00&activeTab=summary

I wonder if the council will listen.

[intexasatthe moment]

Anyone care to predict how much longer before Townley Rd is subsumed into the Foundation Schools Estate ?

[slarti b]

Cycling in to work through Dulwich Village a pleasure this week as the Foundation schools and state schools are both on holiday.

Will be interesting to see what it is like next week when I think it is just Foundation schools. From previous experience it will be almost as good.

[Melihoople]

Thank you for posting & highlighting this application. It does seem that footprint of the school far exceeds the land it actually occupies. The foundation schools do not seem to have addressed in any way the impact their businesses have on the local population and environment.

[James Barber]

It is a universal problem of children being driven to school - but especially pronounced when the entry requirements for local provide schools are not based on distance from the school.

Alleyns is a sub-regional school. Admissions to the Junior school near 100% result in pupils gaining admission to the secondary school - so super attractive to some families from some, for London, significant distances away to get into the Junior School and drive pupils until old enough to use the coach service.

For a number of years I've suggested to Southwark Council Development/Planning teams that a limit of further private school development via a Supplementary Planning Guide is required.

[Mick Mac]

Are your children finished at Alleyns now James?

[intexasatthe moment]

Must be some reason for change in tone .

[James Barber]

Hi Mick Mac,

No.

[bels123]

A reminder of the deadline - 31st October.

[Bicknell]

Comments still coming in. Objections based on pollution and air quality.

https://planning.southwark.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=neighbourComments&keyVal=PYNGQHKBIKR00&neighbourCommentsPager.page=1

[bels123]

Last day to have your say.

[Melihoople]

51 comments! Is that a lot for a planning application?

[seenbeen]

singalto Wrote:

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> I live near a primary school and lots of children

> there are driven. Some parents sit in their cars

> with the engine idling. It?s a universal problem,

> not just private schools.

Yes- have any of you ever been caught up in the chaos around Francesca Cabrini school near Forest Hill?

[goldilocks]

Despite this consultation being scheduled to close yesterday, it seems from the site that you can still make comments. 54 comments - 53 of them opposing the expansion. If you wanted to comment and haven't done yet, worth clicking the link above.

[Townleygreen]

Be aware - if the planning is not approved, the school can appeal to the minister responsible.

[Melihoople]

What does that mean Townleygreen? I get they would have right of appeal. But what special powers would the minister bring?