speeding on east dulwich grove

[Otto]

Crossings controlled by lights would be ideal.

[James Barber]

Zebra crossings, in law, give pedestrians priority. Pelican crossings give traffic priority.

EDG has two issues. Vehicles not stopping at Zebra crossings and as per the thread title speeding.

Raised treatments would solve both but make journeys less comfortable.

I can;t see any traffic counts having taken place in since 2006. So I'll try and arrange this which will measure traffic volumes and speeds.

[GinaG3]

There we're several wires along east dulwich grove a few weeks ago, I'm sure of it. I presume these are the traffic count devices. If these weren't done by the council, would they of been done by whoever is in charge of the works going on controlled by traffic lights and the corner past the hospital right now? Which I may add need attention too. Yesterday they let so much traffic through they got backup up all the way to the Townley road lights and no cars could get through on the other side of the roadwork lights as the jam was running through the works. Everyone was beeping, buses were sitting there, lights were green but not movement could take place. I even saw cars considering overtaking several cars to jump through the system and the red, before backing out.

[Loz]

3 little piggies Wrote:

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> Another stretch of road where motorists ignore signs is the lead up from East Dulwich station to

> the entrance to Sainsburys.

>

> The stretch of Dog Kennel Hill from St Francis Road to Edgar Kail way is a 24/7 bus lane which is

> mostly ignored by cars heading to Sainsburys (the majority also seem to ignore the right of way at

> the mini roundabout in Edgar Kail Way). I live in the little estate next to the football club, so

> use this entrance daily and on most days the bus lane is ignored by motorists, making it difficult

> for anyone observing the restriction to turn in safely.

>

> I think this part of the bus lane needs to either be enforced (camera?) or made into a bus/turn left

> only lane. And to everyone out there, please keep in mind that not all cars leaving Sainsburys turn

> left, so please don't just automatically sail around the roundabout thinking about your shopping

> list and latte, but slow down and check for the odd car that turns right. Cheers.

3LP,

The very top part of that bus lane (last 15/20m or so) is dual-use bus/left hand turn, so you shouldn't be turning from the middle lane. But, really, that entire 50m stretch of bus lane should be dual use and most people do use it like that.

And I agree that too many people at the roundabout make assumptions. I once had a bicycle miss me by millimetres when he swerved across my front because he can up my left hand side and wrongly assumed I was going to turn into Sainsburys. And coming out from St Francis Estate can be, as you say, a bit hairy at times. More annoying is when Sainsburys is busy and vehicles block the roundabout waiting to get in.

[James Barber]

Hi GinaG3,

I've just had confirmation that they've just been done - but not made public by placing on the Southwark website mapping system yet.

This financial year ?23,250 is being spent assessing East Dulwich Grove from Townley Road to Matham Grove. FY13/14?48,360 for a full public consultation and then details design and FY14/15 full implementation but no stated budget.

[ssuh]

I'm also a edg resident...thanx for raising this matter..it's indeed a huge problem and specially when we try to cross edg with kids...there shall definitely be some speed control measures no matter what they are..

[albert]

I have nearly been hit on numerous occasions on the crossing by the constitutional club. Once, i was even touched by a heavily breaking car who appeared not to see me. He then swore and sped off. The kids hate crossing the road which is for some reason a nightmare. Raise the zebra crossings or do something, and for the record, I use the number 37 bus too!

[rgutsell]

Hiya James Barber

What does all of that mean?

How can we get the Council or responsible authority to do something?

There has been a vehicle count box on the road by the shops on east dulwich grove for a while.

Yours

R N Gutsell

[Penguin68]

I think you will find that the answer is that expenditure is made only when there is clear evidence of e.g. accidents - even where there are fatal accidents (the junction of East Dulwich Road and Peckham Rye) things can take a lot of time to happen - where there are non fatal accidents (Underhill Junction with Barry Road) what happens does nothing to calm traffic on the 'main' road.

So far what has been reported on this thread is near misses and nervousness.

Won't cut the mustard, I'm afraid.

[rgutsell]

Hiya all

Just to add some "Flavour" to this....

The 37 bus that I came home in yesterday, broke the 30mph limit along the first section of EDG towards the hospital,

(the sign lit up...it does light up early though, around 28mph). The same bus also was speeding along the road between Herne Hill and the junction at North Dulwich Station where the road works are. The temporary traffic lights at the road works were at green, and he put his foot down from a long way out, passed the trafic island on the wrong side, sped through the works, and had to brake rather quickly at the bus top.

There you go.....

R N Gutsell

[Twirly]

I drove along this stretch of road when it was fairly quiet last night (Sunday, around 8pm) and back again shortly after (was collecting a friend from Herne Hill) and thought about the comments on here. One thing that I did notice is that it would be quite difficult to see anyone waiting to cross the road on your left to the hospital when driving west as parked cars obscure your vision (not an excuse of course) - so jutting the pavement out into the road so that drivers can get clear sight of anyone waiting to cross (won't stop those who don't believe in stopping for pedestrians of course). Also, there are three zebra crossings quite close together and drivers seem to see these as optional, so maybe it would be a good idea to replace one of them with lights.

Mind you, am not sure that would work either. Twice on Friday I saw people stop at red lights, wait for the person to cross the road and then take off whilst the light was still red (the amber hadn't even appeared), and also notice a lot of people edging over the white lines before the lights change. The real problem is a combination of people being in too much of a hurry and being selfish. Sadly, no amount of traffic quietening measures are going to change human nature.

[fazer71]

I always struggle to get over 100mph those pot holes make the steering go a little light and I lose my nerve...

[hellosailor]

Hi James,

Is anything happening with this? In the last couple of days I've had cars whizz past me while on these crossings every time I cross (as usual!) and also seen a car whizz past a mum pushing a buggy while she was half way across. Really do think it's only a matter of time before someone gets hit, unfortunately.

James Barber Wrote:

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> Zebra crossings, in law, give pedestrians

> priority. Pelican crossings give traffic

> priority.

>

> EDG has two issues. Vehicles not stopping at Zebra

> crossings and as per the thread title speeding.

> Raised treatments would solve both but make

> journeys less comfortable.

>

> I can;t see any traffic counts having taken place

> in since 2006. So I'll try and arrange this which

> will measure traffic volumes and speeds.

[Mathilda]

I agree that cars very often speed through the zebras on EDG. Yet, further up the road is a traffic island where drivers will often stop to let me cross - even though they don't have to! So there must be other factors involved - visibility at the zebras? I think light controlled crossings (like the ones on LL) would be better.

[benmorg]

Crossing ED Grove from Melbourne Grove is pretty hair-raising - some traffic lights at this junction would help, plus a double yellow line at the EDG end of Melbourne to stop the frequent car-jams as people try to turn in and out of Melbourne Grove.

[garnwba]

benmorg, how does double yellow lines help reduce speeding traffic?

Surely the traffic jams slow traffic?

What Melborne Grove definately doesn't need is to make it easier for cars to drive down it!

Junction of Melbourne and EDG should have mini roundabout

Melbourne Grove should be made one way and Derwent one way in the opposite direction - thus solving all problems

[fazer71]

It's a know side effect of speed bumps combined with roundabouts and zebra crossings that drivers become overloaded and frustrated at the slow progress which then causes them to rush through crossings they develop blurred vision as their brains become saturated with all the signs and restrictions along with the frustration.

Driving in and around ED is becoming more and more of an mission a lot like playing a video game avoiding pot holes dodging speed bumps avoiding jutting out curbs and roundabouts keeping out of bus lanes and watching for pedestrians at zebra crossings.

All that ends up with drivers speeding when they come across an open stretch they can?t help it its human nature.

What?s the solution ?..?

More speed bumps and restrictions ??.

Or as in Holland remove all signs and crossings reduce speed on side roads and have police enforcement teams catching speeders.

The question is which option costs more and which is more effective?

Apparently it?s cheaper to pay the police ?who are already being paid? and stop paying the road signage speed hump crossing curb ? companies.

But we?re so tied into the contracts with Conway etc that common sense will never prevail.

Bring on more and more expensive traffic calming measures with the signs and all the increased maintenance of all that rubbish ?.

Forget concentrating on pot holes and keeping the traffic flowing.

More one way systems yea that?ll really keep mental mini cabs speed down NOT !!!!!

[fazer71]

KY Lordship Lane ....

[Serena2012]

Just thought I would revive this thread to say that we received consultation papers through from Southwark Council this morning on a 20MPH zone down East Dulwich Grove from the junction with Lordship Lane to the junction with Hillsboro Road, together with other traffic calming measures (including attempts to make the junctions between East Dulwich Grove and various side roads safer). Here's hoping that these proposals go through.

[Countrlass22]

Hi all this relates strongly to this thread

thought id share case any of you not yet received proposals from Southwark council they are aware of dangers along east Dulwich grove and junctions speeding accidents pedestrians etc got form today to say support or object they wish to move pelican crossing nearer to hospital and move bus stop nearer to hospital plus raise up junctions and changing of speed limit to 20 mph plus same all along from top near alleyns at each junction all way to lordship lane ed grove end....shame its taken pedestrians and cyclists getting hurt to offer changes.

Me and my hubby wrote to them while ago.due us often having cars vans cyclists speeding threw pelican crossing when we still crossing disabled slower than some........quite few near misses.seems once get threw north Dulwich traffic lights foot on pedals goes down and no intention stopping no matter who in way.

more changes can not type it all here.........

not sure are we allowed post website links anyway here's the one to see consultation on these proposed changes.

http://www.southwark.gov.uk/infp/200308/current

countrlass

[tomdhu]

I would definately vote in favour of average speed cameras.

Tom

[davidh]

I occasionally (often enough to be a statistic) walk up east dulwich grove on my way to the hospital for a blood test or summat. I have NEVER been bothered by traffic refusing to stop. the people on this forum just like to join in a complaint thread.

[KalamityKel]

Are there any cyclists that have thoughts on these plans?

I only ask as someone pointed out to me recently that reduction in road size could raise issues of road safety.

[Jessie]

davidh Wrote: the

> people on this forum just like to join in a

> complaint thread.

What rubbish. The road is an accident waiting to happen and many drivers do not stop at the zebra crossings for whatever reason.

[James Barber]

The URL to the consultation is:

http://www.southwark.gov.uk/info/200431/street_improvements/3180/east_dulwich_grove

Whatever your view please do respond.