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Alan Medic

Alan Medic

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Chippy Minton Wrote:

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> I'm not confused at all.

>

> There was an offside in the build up - therefore

> the "goal" should not have been awarded.

>

> Simple and logical.


The goal should have been awarded as the offside was missed as many things are in football. If there is to be GLT then you can't expect it to be anything other than that. At least it would provide justice on most occasions though frankly I don't know the 10th official standing nearby could not have positioned himself to be able to advise the ref what happened.

Undisputedtruth

Undisputedtruth

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maxxi Wrote:

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> I was really referring to his performance against

> Ukraine - he may be just knackered or have shot

> his bolt for this tournament but whatever the

> reason he is a spent force and, I think, a

> potential liability.


It doesn't matter, I think Milner is the type of player whose abilities are appreciated by those who have a deeper understanding of the game. Like a footballer's footballer.


>

> I think Young does work well playing behind the

> striker in a central position but not as a winger

> in this set-up so if included he would be better

> used behind Rooney instead of Wellbeck or Carroll.


Young is an experienced and versatile player. So he should play wherever Roy says.

Alan Medic

Alan Medic

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Jah Lush Wrote:

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> The Italians always struggle at first in most

> competitions but get stronger as a tournament

> progresses. Hopefully, they'll continue to

> struggle and get knocked out on Sunday.

>

> England latest: Wayne Rooney has tested positive

> for a performance enhancing rug.


It's true about the Italians. A great example was the '94 WC where they got to the Final only to lose to Brazil on pens. They lost their opening game to who was it...........oh yeah I remember......Ireland. That methinks was a much better Italian team than the current one. If England improve somewhat they will have a great chance of reaching the semi's. Just hope the press don't go too overboard as there is nothing as offputting for a neutral than the English press bigging their team up. I like England to win but just sometimes when they lose it makes me laugh because of the preceding hype.

maxxi

maxxi

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sorry - I'm not going to be drawn into one of your usual "I know better than everyone else" games - after all I fancied the Dutch to win and had the Greeks as dark horses so I obviously fail in the "deeper understanding" dept.


I'm okay with that though.


I'm happy with a superficial understanding and feel that assuming the mantle of England Manager, and confidently expressing my insights and judgements as such, is part of my birthright (albeit one that should be accompanied by lager and the shaking of a collective group of heads) and that the shallower my 'understanding' the more important it becomes to express my pov.


I will, therefore, shamelessly continue to express my opinions and observations re the England team, the Greek playmakers, the Czech's defensive frailties and always round them off with a nod to German efficiency.


I am certainly not a footballer so cannot judge what/who a footballer's footballer may be but when I meet one I shall ask.


I am merely a watcher.


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*Bob*

*Bob*

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maxxi Wrote:

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> >

> sorry - I'm not going to be drawn into one of your

> usual "I know better than everyone else" games -

> after all I fancied the Dutch to win and had the

> Greeks as dark horses so I obviously fail in the

> "deeper understanding" dept.


Are we talking about the kind of deep level of understanding that can only be gained from playing amateur football on the weekend?

Undisputedtruth

Undisputedtruth

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@*Bob*


If you understood football, which you certainly don't judging by your previous posts, playing football does give you an insight to the game rather than just watching it. This reminds me of a time when my line manager thought she knew more about football because she occasionally watches Arsenal. This is the type of daft comment *Bob* would say for sure.


@Mick Mac, have not heard of Catennacio?

Alan Medic

Alan Medic

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Chippy Minton Wrote:

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> The goal should have been awarded as the offside

> was missed as many things are in football.

>

> Eh? The offside should have been awarded first!


So are you for or against goal line technology? You can't have it both ways. It's use is for one thing and one thing only. Not offside, not being caught showing your pants with a logo on them, just, is the ball over the line or not?

Chippy Minton

Chippy Minton

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I'm for goal line technology - if we had it, then obviously it would have been awarded. But we don't. So it wasn't.


As it stands at the moment i.e we don't currently have GLT, if your arguement is "The goal should have been awarded as the offside was missed as many things are in football" you might just as well say "The goal shouldn't have been awarded as the ball crossing the line was missed as many things are in football."

Undisputedtruth

Undisputedtruth

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*Bob* Wrote:

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> It's amazing how many experts there are out there

> - all, curiously, performing at the lowest level.

> In all walks of life.



More amazing is the number of non experts who haven't go a clue but fill their time in posting useless points or engage in don't know any better logic. Sounds familiar, Bob?

Mick Mac

Mick Mac

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Undisputedtruth Wrote:

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> @*Bob*

>

>

>

> @Mick Mac, have not heard of Catennacio?


UDT. Thank you for this opportunity.


The end of catenaccio.....


The 1967 European Cup Final was a football match between Italian team Internazionale and Scottish team Celtic. It took place at the Est?dio Nacional in Lisbon, Portugal on 25 May 1967 in front of a crowd of 45,000. It was the final of the 1966?67 European Cup, the premier club competition run by UEFA. The match was Celtic's first European final and Internazionale's third; they had won two of the previous three trophies. Both teams had to go through four qualifying rounds to get the final. Celtic won their first two ties comfortably, with their second two rounds being tighter. Inter's first tie was very close but they won their next two by bigger margins. In the semi-final Inter needed a replay to win the tie.


Internazionale scored after seven minutes, when Sandro Mazzola converted a penalty. Celtic equalised through Tommy Gemmell after he scored on 63 minutes. Stevie Chalmers then put Celtic in the lead after 84 miuntes. The match finished 2?1 to Celtic. It was said to be a victory for football because Celtic's attacking play overcame Internazionale's defensive cattenacio. Celtic's manager Jock Stein and the team received acclaim after the match and was given the nickname the Lisbon Lions; considered to be the greatest in the club's history.

Jah Lush

Jah Lush

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You're too young to have watched that aren't you Mac? I remember watching it after a kickabout in the playground after school and the rushing home to watch the game. I'm an old fecker me. Enduring image isn't it. Jumpers for goalposts, russ goalie, three in the middle, 4-4-2, 4-3-3, 4-2-4 one's gone home for his tea. Beans on toast, possibly. Don't quote me on that. Marvellous.
Mick Mac

Mick Mac

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I especially like the last paragraph of this obituary....and Jah, I was alive but only just.


Helenio Herrera, football coach and player: born Buenos Aires 17 April 1916; married; died Venice 9 November 1997. Football has never had a more controversial master of pragmatic tactics than Helenio Herrera. As coach of the Milan club Internazionale he presided over a defensive style that won the club two European Cups, in 1964 and 1965, and spread darkly throughout Europe. He more than anyone brought the word "catenaccio" into the game's vocabulary; the tactic of dour defensive football that forced the opposition to show its hand and weaknesses.


He managed Inter for eight years from 1960, in which time the club also won the Italian championship twice and the World Club championship. Before that he had been manager of Barcelona where he began the now popular method of psyching up his players before their matches. But his special talent was the organisation of a defence that had four men closely marking the attackers and a sweeper who was usually the springboard for counter-attacks.


His own playing career was modest. He was born in Buenos Aires but his parents moved to Casablanca when he was three. After playing in the French league he embarked on a nomadic life as a coach at various clubs in France then, in Spain, worked at Atletico Madrid and Valladolid. Always a man of determined views, at one point, following a fierce dispute with club directors, he was suspended from Spanish football and moved to Portugal. On his return to Spain he joined Barcelona, who sacked him after they lost to Real Madrid in the 1960 European Cup semi-final. That inspired his move to Milan, where he established his place in the records of the game's tactical history.


Football tacticians became immersed in the debate over the merits of the Brazilian qualities of individuality combined with a more positive 4-3-3 system and Italy's stubborn dependency on catenaccio. Because there were insufficient players of Brazilian talent in Europe, catenaccio caught on, leaving behind the expressive football of earlier days.


At various times Herrera managed the national sides of France, Italy and Spain. He coached the Spanish side in the 1962 World Cup finals in Chile, but they started with the huge disadvantage of being without probably the most versatile forward of all, Alfredo di Stefano, who had fallen out with Herrera. As a result, Spain finished bottom of their first round group.


The team that finally overcame Inter's Herrera-guided style was Celtic, who beat them in the 1967 European Cup final. That broke the mould, leading to the exciting "total" football of West Germany and Holland. Herrara left Inter in 1968 and moved to Roma where he stayed until 1971, and was reported to be the highest-paid coach in the world with a salary of around pounds 140,000 a year.

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