billybiro Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 . Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/23403-revised-new-ms-planning-application-to-replace-iceland/page/38/#findComment-571905 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mynamehere Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Policy 5.6 Car parking432 All developments requiring car parking should minimise the number of spaces provided. Maximum standards are set out in Appendix 15.433 Where more than 20 surface parking spaces are proposed, applicants must demonstrate why this cannot be provided underground or within the building.434 All developments will be expected to include justification for the amount of car parking sought, taking into account:i. Public Transport Accessibility Levels set out in Appendix 15; andii. The impact on overspill parking; andiii. The demand for parking within the Controlled Parking Zones. The LPA will restrict permitprovision where necessary.435 Parking for retail and leisure uses within town centres should be shared with public parking, not reserved for customers of a particular development. Maximum stay restrictions are required for all retail and leisure town centre parking.Reasons436 Too many cars cause problems with congestion and pollution, increasing travel times and expense as well as causing health problems. With fewer car parking spaces available people will seek alternative modes of transport to the private car, subsequently reducing congestion and pollution.437 Access to services, leisure, shops and a range of amenities by public transport and other alternative modes of transport to the private car must be considered when providing less car parking in order to ensure efficiency and social inclusion. Measures to control overspill parking are necessary in order to prevent or mitigate loss of amenity including inconvenience to local residents caused by overspill car parking and increased pressure on on-street spaces.438 Appendix 16 contains a schedule of existing Controlled Parking Zones.439 PPS3, PPG 4, PPG 5 and PPG 13 recommend the restriction of private car use to either housing or employment sites and improved accessibility through the encouragement of modes of transport other than the private car. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/23403-revised-new-ms-planning-application-to-replace-iceland/page/38/#findComment-571924 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bessie1974 Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 The Ubuesque fallacy of apendix 436.Man returns to dust...there is dust under my bed....therefore there is a man under my bedYeah right. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/23403-revised-new-ms-planning-application-to-replace-iceland/page/38/#findComment-571945 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rch Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Thanks, mynamehere!first mate, despite what happens with the M&S, I think we still need to look at the bigger picture in the Dulwich area, as I believe that the piecemeal approach is only exacerbating problems. Again, this is a long discussion, probably best for another thread, but I personally feel that a multilevel approach is what is needed.On one hand, as a non-driver, I am well aware of the problems involved in navigating around the Dulwich area without a car. It can take me up to 45 minutes to travel across my ward, which takes around 5 minutes by car. I have to leave up to an hour between meetings (which drives people mad and inevitably reduces the number of meetings I can have in one day) and it can take up to an hour and a half for me to get to the council offices in Tooley St - a journey that can take between 20 and 30 minutes by car - or up to three hours round trip, detracting from the time I can spend on casework. Our policies clearly state that, with fewer car parking spaces available, people will seek alternative modes of transport to the private car... but, in Dulwich this is difficult because public transport options are limited (we have been lobbying TfL for the past five years to get the 42 bus extended so that we have an east-west alternative to the 37, to no avail, and I have even looked into the possibility of launching our own local bus service) and the high demographic of mothers with small children and elderly people limits how many residents can cycle easily/safely.Our policies recognise these local restrictions and allow for more car parking spaces than in the rest of the borough and I think there are still more creative options that can be explored - both in general and in this specific application.It's a matter of public record that I voted against the latest CPZ in the consultation, clearly stating that officers should try to find more possible parking spaces to mitigate the displacement of cars around the station - and I personally still think there is more that we can do on this. So, the short answer to your question, first mate, is that I think the community needs to work together to find a balance between positive growth on our high street and loss of amenity to the local residents. You would be amazed at how much power a community has when it speaks with one voice. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/23403-revised-new-ms-planning-application-to-replace-iceland/page/38/#findComment-571952 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DulwichFox Posted August 30, 2012 Share Posted August 30, 2012 It would seem staff have been told they will get 3 months notice of any changes. As it stands, staff have yet to receive such notice. So Iceland should be there 'till early December at least. Fox. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/23403-revised-new-ms-planning-application-to-replace-iceland/page/38/#findComment-572954 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowlander Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 -Heinz- Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Cars today are many times more efficient and clean> than a decade or so a go. Progress in that field> is constant and I am > > not sure residents of ED are in any danger of> suffering from car induced pollution illnesses...> > > On the other hand, lefty world saving do gooders> driving 1960' VW Campervans are as green as a frog> in a blender...So > > maybe we should vote to force them to offset their> carbon footprint by digging us "normals" a shiny> new underground car > > park under Goose Green. I recon the ratio of earth> dug up, to tonnes of Aquarious free thinking> Campervan induced carbon > > is about 1... So you know it makes sense.Hmm...first off, all diesels are bad in town because of the minute particulates. Secondly, running an older car is arguably greener than driving a modern one, because of the effect the manufacturing has on the environment.Don't get me wrong, I'm glad we're not all driving round in Austin Princesses; but equally you'll find the average age of a car in ED is probably between 8-12 years or so. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/23403-revised-new-ms-planning-application-to-replace-iceland/page/38/#findComment-573119 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgley Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 Ok let?s get down to the nitty gritty, too much flannel on this thread are they or are they not replacing Iceland to M &S yes or no? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/23403-revised-new-ms-planning-application-to-replace-iceland/page/38/#findComment-573162 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl Aelfheah Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 No. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/23403-revised-new-ms-planning-application-to-replace-iceland/page/38/#findComment-573221 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DulwichFox Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 Maybe. but not for a least 3 Months. Fox. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/23403-revised-new-ms-planning-application-to-replace-iceland/page/38/#findComment-573228 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgley Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 Crumps:( Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/23403-revised-new-ms-planning-application-to-replace-iceland/page/38/#findComment-573270 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzyboots Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 I would be gutted to see Iceland go - and frankly, would be forced to use my car to drive more often to the nearest LIDL and Aldi. It saves me huge amounts on my family food bills in comparison to other local supermarkets. Whilst I LOVE M&S food, it is but a mere aspiration for me and mine to actually be able to afford it.Or I could stop eating, I suppose. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/23403-revised-new-ms-planning-application-to-replace-iceland/page/38/#findComment-573380 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiddles Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 yes I too have just discovered iceland!! lots of the basics (and branded) at good prices. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/23403-revised-new-ms-planning-application-to-replace-iceland/page/38/#findComment-573395 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzyboots Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 Moreover, given all the recent media stories of escalating food prices to come this autumn/winter, Iceland will be the only place I can remotely afford (and even that at a push). Grumble, grumble, etc. And, for someone who is, frankly, pretty rubbish at mental arithmetic these days, it really helps me a lot that many of their prices are in ?s and .50s.... ;) Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/23403-revised-new-ms-planning-application-to-replace-iceland/page/38/#findComment-573397 Share on other sites More sharing options...
northlondoner Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 James Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Where do we go if we want to show our support FOR> an M&S in ED?Islington Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/23403-revised-new-ms-planning-application-to-replace-iceland/page/38/#findComment-573466 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonMix Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 Iceland deliver if you sincerely can't get to the one in Peckhamfuzzyboots Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Moreover, given all the recent media stories of> escalating food prices to come this autumn/winter,> Iceland will be the only place I can remotely> afford (and even that at a push). Grumble,> grumble, etc. And, for someone who is, frankly,> pretty rubbish at mental arithmetic these days, it> really helps me a lot that many of their prices> are in ?s and .50s.... ;) Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/23403-revised-new-ms-planning-application-to-replace-iceland/page/38/#findComment-573469 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzyboots Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 They deliver from New Cross. Not from Peckham, I believe. At least, that's what the sign in the East Dulwich shop says. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/23403-revised-new-ms-planning-application-to-replace-iceland/page/38/#findComment-573470 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonMix Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 That's right. I said you could get delivery if you can't physically go to the Peckham branch should the ED branch close down. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/23403-revised-new-ms-planning-application-to-replace-iceland/page/38/#findComment-573537 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzyboots Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 Does that not mean I have to go to New Cross though?! Or have I (quite probably!) misunderstood how their delivery system operates? Peckham is actually quite tricky because I run on such a tight timetable in order not to have to drag the kids shopping with me (for my sanity and purse's sake...) and I can't honestly envisage me walking their with my glamorous shopping trolley (and back). Or lumbering around on a bus with my goodies! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/23403-revised-new-ms-planning-application-to-replace-iceland/page/38/#findComment-573546 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 fuzzyboots Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Or have I (quite probably!)> misunderstood how their delivery system operates? Hit the nail on the head. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/23403-revised-new-ms-planning-application-to-replace-iceland/page/38/#findComment-573554 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzyboots Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 Ah - well I shall investigate the deliveries from NX then! Thanks Jeremy :) Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/23403-revised-new-ms-planning-application-to-replace-iceland/page/38/#findComment-573555 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzyboots Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 Hmmm - have just investigated and I am correct. You have to go to the store and make your purchases and then book a delivery. Rather defeats most of the object for me, since quite frankly, I'm not up for travelling to NX to leave my shopping behind...! (http://www.iceland.co.uk/home-delivery/frequently-asked-questions) Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/23403-revised-new-ms-planning-application-to-replace-iceland/page/38/#findComment-573556 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 You're kidding me! They don't offer online shopping? Surely that can't be right?(if it is, I apologise for my previous comment...) Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/23403-revised-new-ms-planning-application-to-replace-iceland/page/38/#findComment-573558 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gidget Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 They used to do the home delivery service from ED I think, never used it but someone told me that she did. But yes, you have to go into the store and purchase first. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/23403-revised-new-ms-planning-application-to-replace-iceland/page/38/#findComment-573615 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DulwichFox Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 A solution to this little Conundrum... Iceland Stays... M&S replaces the Co-op. Solved... Next problem please. Fox. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/23403-revised-new-ms-planning-application-to-replace-iceland/page/38/#findComment-574762 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gidget Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 Good job Dulwich Fox. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/23403-revised-new-ms-planning-application-to-replace-iceland/page/38/#findComment-574780 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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