Revised new - M&S planning application to replace Iceland..

[sjf1]

first mate Wrote:

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> Not just any planning application.....

>

> Yes, James Barber has suggested a range of

> modifications in his letter to planning. He

> proposes early morning deliveries on Lordship

> Lane.

Hi James. I hope you havn't suggested early morning deliveries take place on Lordship Lane. There is a zebra crossing outside the proposed store so in all likelihood these deliveries would take place outside my home.There is a bar two doors away that shuts at 2am and now the possibility of deliveries starting at 6am, how can this even be up for consideration. And i know for a fact how disturbing the these deliveries can be as there is one that takes place outside my home most nights at around 11.30pm. I dont know what the answer to this problem is but simply making it someone elses problem is not it.

[sjf1]

Can i also point out that as well as the zebra crossing there is a bus lane in force between 7-10am, both of which make Lordship Lane unsuitable for early morning deliveries.

[Callie]

I can see this might also cause traffic probs like on Rye Lane with their deliveries & that would be awful here on Lordship Lane.

[first mate]

I can see how this would cause difficulties for residents on Lordship Lane. Obviously the same issues apply to Chesterfield Grove plus this is a narrow residential street, totally unsuited for delivery by the enormous vehicles that are used. Overall this just seems to be the wrong site for the scale of the proposal.

[Undisputedtruth]

Renata Hamvas Wrote:

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> The problem with delaying this application further

> is that the applicants could then lodge an appeal

> for non-determination which means it goes to an

> planning inspector ie outside Southwark and local

> residents control.

It would appear that the planning inspectorate usually favours, based on my internet research, M&S developments. Whatever happened to local democracy?

[James Barber]

Hi sjf1,

No I'm not suggesting early morning deliveries. Part of my objection was that the applicant have stated they intend early morning and late evening deliveries.

Hope you've had a chance to tell the planning officers your view.

[rch]

Just to clarify, first mate, we no longer have decision-making powers for planning applications at Community Council level, but we can have open public discussions with the planning officers and the applicant (should they agree to attend) during the consultation phase of the application. This is what I wanted to do at the Sept DCC but I was advised that planning officers wouldn't be able to be publicly involved, as the consultation period had already closed.

The planning and licensing process is extremely complex - councillors can't simply refuse applications based on the volume of objections, we need to cite specific legislation otherwise our decisions can be overturned at an appeal.

I'm hoping to have an item on planning strategy at a future meeting of the DCC, probably when the Dulwich Supplementary Planning Document goes out to consultation, as that will have an impact on the future use of the Dulwich Community Hospital site among other issues of concern to all Dulwich area residents. And I will watch out for any other relevant local applications that we can bring to the DCC during the consultation stage.

But, for the M&S application, all I can advise now is for as many residents as possible to attend the sub-committee meeting en masse to support James' representations as ward councillor to the committee. So, keep your eye on the council calendar (where you will also be able to read the technical reports, including the traffic management plans) and be ready to hike up to Tooley St.

[the-e-dealer]

The Planning Process is NOT part of Local Democracy. Although the Members of the Comitee are elected a councillors they are not allowed to base their decisions on numbers of votes or pleasing the electorate. They are in a Quasi Judicial Role where they must decide on planning grounds. I know this is peculiar and counter intuitive but thats the way it is. I think it would be better if we didnt use elected councillors it often puts them in a difficult position.

[first mate]

Robin,

Again, thank you.

It does not sound like a level playing field where a large organisation like M&S can call on a raft of experts to wade through and interpret these complexities to suit their ends, whereas most residents are not experts in planning law and process and do not have financial resources to mount detailed expertise/objections.

Additionally, the consultation period was brief, in so far as many of us residents came to hear about the proposals. As you know, many of us living close to the site were not consulted at all. As others have suggested, a major proposal which is likely to have significant impact on those living closest to it, seems to have been pushed through on the quiet. Complexities of process appear to work very much in favour of the applicant.

Thank you for the heads up about the meeting, we will watch out for news of that.

[the-e-dealer]

There is an Organisation called London Planning Aid who are there to try and level the playing field.

Not wishing to start another rumour sorry but there is no playing field being levelled!

[first mate]

E-dealer,

Thanks, I'll look into that.

[rch]

And I'll try to help out more, as well. Councillors had to be careful about how openly involved they got in case this was interpreted as expressing an opinion in advance of making a decision... but now that we aren't making local decisions, we can speak out a bit more.

I don't sit on the planning sub-committees that make the more local decisions, but I sit on the Main Planning committee that considers larger applications, so I understand how to navigate the process, which is also why I think it might be a good idea to have an item on planning to brief local residents at a DCC, as half the battle is understanding how to manoeuvre.

As some of you know, although I am a Village ward councillor, I've lived on Melbourne Grove for 26 years which is the border between East Dulwich ward and Village ward.

[davidh]

seems like none of you will be satisfied until dangerous retail invaders like m&s are soundly rejected. by the same token, I think iceland should be demolished and a nice leafy green space planted and maintained by the forum bedwetters. we just can't have all these nice posh shops. we clearly want poundland or even 50pland

[first mate]

davidh,

for the umpteenth time, it's not about the BRAND of shop, it's the size and suitability of the proposal for the current plot. Have you actually read the planning application?

[fredricketts]

It?s a waste of time trying to stop this development, as the Council will have their way, which is the way of the Government, More houses and flats with no where to park their cars, which in turn will lead to less parking spaces, which in turn will lead to more parking fines, we have already seen Dulwich go from being a suburb into an urban area. More flats and houses more rates, bigger classes in the schools more traffic and it goes on and on. The Council is already calling Dulwich a Town. The Councils planning department at one time would not allow development to go ahead without allowing for parking facilities, and the Dulwich Club that was once in Lordship Lane was turned down on them grounds after being in existence for over a hundred years, it?s now eight or nine houses.

Its about time Dulwich was saved from all these new developments, because the only people it affects are the residents already here. I have been here for over forty years and Dulwich is slowly being ruined by the Council and Governments. I feel sorry for the residents of Chesterfield Grove as they will suffer the most.

[pipsky2008]

All the more reason to put into words your case and forward it to the planning authority, surely?

[fredricketts]

I have already. But its a

Waste of time, its already decided, like the late night opening

Hours of the bars in Lordship Lane.

[KalamityKel]

A defeatist attitude is not needed here. Although, saying that, I really do not have much faith in the planning department. It's known that they'll pass all sorts of ridiculous applications that, like this particular application, lack full, accurate & complete details for the construction.

*sighs*

[edhistory]

Has the Camberwell Borough Council 1885 Road Adoption Order for Chesterfield Grove been examined yet?

John K

[Who has not seen the text of the Order]

[KalamityKel]

And what's that?

[Longboy]

Great idea. Let?s be honest, Iceland is full of pikeys. If you ever want to see a bunch of kappa wearing thieves, then Iceland is the place to be. I?m disgusted it?s still there, it should have been replaced a long time ago, really brings down the quality of the neighbourhood, it should be moved to Peckham, would fit right in down there, the whole place is a scum hole.

[the-e-dealer]

Plenty of Schemes are refused, don't be defeatist!

[nonpretentious]

Speaking as one who has lived in ED decades before it disappeared up its own orifice, who works all hours and still struggles to make ends meet and feed children; Iceland is vital for me. I would still have to pay bus fare to the one in Peckham, whereas LL is a short walk. So please try and remember, all you newbies who have emigrated from SW and north London, that apart from cheaper houses one of the things you liked about ED was the lively mix of peeps. Myself and others really need Iceland, and could actually do with a 99p shop on LL.

[DulwichFox]

nonpretentious Wrote:

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Myself and others really

> need Iceland, and could actually do with a 99p

> shop on LL.

If there were a 99p shop on LL.. Everything would be a Fiver...

Fox.

[Tarot]

A Spar shop would have been better.