Revised new - M&S planning application to replace Iceland..

[the-e-dealer]

I cant answer for Maxi but No I never changed my name. Why should I.

[Atticus]

Just a general question...

[the-e-dealer]

Atticus whats this got to do with this thread?

[Atticus]

nothing, apologies.

[the-e-dealer]

Anyway I am very much in favour in M&S Moving in. LLane used to sustain two large supermarkets funnily enough the other one was a coop and it will be nice to buy a few luxury items along with the COOP average stuff. The most recent survey I can recall revealed that 90% of shoppers I think walked to LLane and therefore cant see why the worry about parking.

[first mate]

e-dealer,

I rather agree that the shop is not really an issue and parking from that would generally be dissipated- however, it is what happens at the back of the development that is more significant. As I have said before, there is already pressure from the car wash at the very point they also want to add in 8 residential units and step up deliveries, all in a smaller space and with any currently available parking space wiped out.

There are solutions- to make the proposed residential units car-free and very early morning deliveries to the front of the shop.

[maxxi]

@Atticus - nope. Moved to ED in 2006 but didn't see/come across this forum until late 2010 and joined it in January 2011.

A general point occurs re all this parking malarkey.

Surely if the customers that M&S are supposed to draw are going to drive most will say to themselves "Nah, we'll never find a bloody place to park. Sod it, let's go to Sainsburys (or somewhere else) instead".

I mean, you can't get a quart into a pint pot etc., so all those would-be M&S customers who trawl down here in their motors will prowl the streets looking for a space, realise it's like trying to park on Brighton Seafront on a Bank Holiday and give it up as a bad job never to return.

Sounds more to me as though M&S are hoping to sell a shed load of ready meals to pedestrians/commuters - the tired masses who pour out of ED station and up LL of an evening feeling too tired to slice an onion and in need of some Singapore Noodles and a glass of Riesling.

[James Barber]

Hi first mate,

For the rear of the Police statino to become a car park would require someone to buy that part of the site from thE Metropolitan Police. It would cost a lot of money and I'm quite clear Southwark Council doesn't have that kind of spare cash - if it did then Heber School needs ?1/2m for energy efficiency, etc.

The proposed 8 flats about the current Iceland. Assuming the freeholder has tried properly marketting the current offices and failed. Currently the council only enforce car free developments by not allowing Controlled Parking Zone permits to applicants of a list of addresses designated as car free. So this site clearly fails that test.

I think the council is missing a trick. No reason why it couldn't contact DVLA at regular intervals to check no motor vehice registered to an address - clearly this could be abused by people registering vehicles illegally to other addresses but high risk approach for someone to do this.

Developments often have sums assigned in non CPZ areas towards including their sites in any future CPZ. I don't see any reason why these sums could'nt also fund car free checks in non CPZ areas - rather than giving the impression of encouraging new CPZ areas.

Eitherway I've contacted the head of Southwark planning asking whether they think such an approach is possible.

[maxxi]

James Barber Wrote:

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> The proposed 8 flats about the current Iceland.

> Assuming the freeholder has tried properly

> marketting the current offices and failed.

...the large Marcus King & Co. sign hanging on the front of the premises saying OFFICES LET - is this an old out of date sign or have the offices indeed just been let out? Or did they mean to use an OFFICES TO LET sign but had run out?

[first mate]

James,

Just to clarify, it is currently the case that the council will only allow designated car-free addresses in CPZ zones? Is there a legal barrier to having designated car free addresses outside of CPZ zones?

I am not sure what point you are making about the DVLA and registered cars? I am quite sure that all the owners of cars using the car wash are leaglly registered. Such is the demand that the business can only run if it parks waiting cars up and down the street.

[Penguin68]

Of course, maybe the people who work in the offices all travel in by public transport, but if they don't, and some use cars, there may well be something like a straight swap of office for flat cars - certainly during the working week.

It does seem to me that with the offices being let, and the Iceland staff not knowing anything about this, the planning application could be a mare's nest.

For those wanting an M&S, don't count your chickens, for those fearing one, don't cross your bridges before you get to them, for anyone not really bothered - find your own trite aphorisms.

[the-e-dealer]

A Boil in the Bag is worth two in the Chiller.

[Undisputedtruth]

M&S do not deserve a place along Lordship Lane. They moved out of Rye Lane during the eighties.

[Nick1962]

Fantastic news - as someone who relies on customers through the door, the idea of an M & S in Lordsip Lane is extremely exciting.. more people coming to the Village means more footfall in LL and that means more customers through my door. Time to move on guys.. East Dulwich needs to continue attracting the right type of visitor to the Village and they might just spend ?4 on a punnet of Blueberries!

[Nick1962]

S&M in Lordship Lane... good grief!!

[Gidget]

Nick1962 Wrote:

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> Fantastic news - as someone who relies on

> customers through the door, the idea of an M & S

> in Lordsip Lane is extremely exciting.. more

> people coming to the Village means more footfall

> in LL and that means more customers through my

> door. Time to move on guys.. East Dulwich needs

> to continue attracting the right type of visitor

> to the Village and they might just spend ?4 on a

> punnet of Blueberries!

The Village? East Dulwich is not Dulwich Village. Which shop is yours?

[Gidget]

Nick1962 Wrote:

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> Fantastic news - as someone who relies on

> customers through the door, the idea of an M & S

> in Lordsip Lane is extremely exciting.. more

> people coming to the Village means more footfall

> in LL and that means more customers through my

> door. Time to move on guys.. East Dulwich needs

> to continue attracting the right type of visitor

> to the Village and they might just spend ?4 on a

> punnet of Blueberries!

So Nick, you have changed your mind since 22nd Feb on the Waitrose/M&s thread where you said you didn't want anything like that in ED.

[maxxi]

Nick1962 Wrote:

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> Fantastic news - as someone who relies on

> customers through the door, the idea of an M & S

> in Lordsip Lane is extremely exciting.. more

> people coming to the Village means more footfall

> in LL and that means more customers through my

> door. Time to move on guys.. East Dulwich needs

> to continue attracting the right type of visitor

> to the Village and they might just spend ?4 on a

> punnet of Blueberries!

Cross post - this is what Gidget is talking about Nicky...here... or is this your heavy handed attempt at a touch of irony?

[Gidget]

Maxxi, thanks for the link. Would love to know what his shop is.

[stonebrownie]

You have free residential street parking at present. If parking becomes more of a pressurised you may end up having to pay. I live in 'zone L' and pay to park on the street- sometimes even near my house. This was meant to benefit residents but obviously it doesn't. The fee started at ?90 rose to ?99 and this year it is ?125.

[Carrie]

First mate - there is no legal barrier to having a clause in a lease saying that a flat owner cannot have a car but there is no real way of enforcing that outside of a CPZ. If there is a CPZ a car free clause can be enforced by not granting residents at that address a parking permit. Without a CPZ, as James says, the only way you could enforce it would be to check at regular intervals at DVLA whether there are any cars registered at that address which would be very unwieldy. As far as I am aware Southwark are pretty short of planning enforcement officers as it is so I can't see them taking on this task.

[bonaome]

So in my opinion a much busier larger store will attract more people and even a smaller proportion driving would still result in more car jounreys generated compared to the current Iceland.

Thank you for the confirmation that it is just your opinion. For a brief moment I thought you had some facts to base your objections on.

[Zebedee Tring]

Carrie Wrote:

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> First mate - there is no legal barrier to having a

> clause in a lease saying that a flat owner cannot

> have a car but there is no real way of enforcing

> that outside of a CPZ. If there is a CPZ a car

> free clause can be enforced by not granting

> residents at that address a parking permit.

> Without a CPZ, as James says, the only way you

> could enforce it would be to check at regular

> intervals at DVLA whether there are any cars

> registered at that address which would be very

> unwieldy. As far as I am aware Southwark are

> pretty short of planning enforcement officers as

> it is so I can't see them taking on this task.

It would be a mistake to confuse the power of a landlord to include a covenant in a lease banning a lessee from having a car with the power of a local planning authority to impose a condition in such terms in a planning permission. I have severe doubts that a local planning authority would be able to enforce such a condition - and indeed doubts about the enforceability of such a covenant in a lease. Perhaps practising lawyers would like to comment.

I hasten to add that I am in favour of the application and certainly don't want to derail it.

[first mate]

Carrie,

Thanks- I now see what James meant:) The developers are making such a big deal about the application being eco friendly that had thought the issue of car ownership could be covered by a clause written into the leasehold.

I am clear that we don't want CPZ.

[eddie]

Local resident to local politician: ?Can the area behind the police station be used for parking?

Local politician; ?Southwark council does not have the sort of spare cash required to buy the land?

Seems to be a perfectly reasonable response by a local politician in looking after what all our local taxes are spent on. However this is the same local politician that has proposed the following council expenditure;

1. Buy a business, knock down the building it is located in and extend Burgess Park.

2. Knock down the flyover on the Old Kent Road as it? only serves commuters from Kent?

So nice to see local politicians looking after our local interests! Ya have to smile.

Did I see that the Lib Dems were beaten in the local election by a penguin?