Revised new - M&S planning application to replace Iceland..

[first mate]

James get to grips with the detail of the application and the site and you'll see its a bad fit. Anyhow, been through all this once- it's all in the earlier part of the thread.

How's Bellenden;)

[richard tudor]

James Wrote:

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> Anyone whould think they had murdered someone.

> What exactly is the problem with a shop replacing

> another shop with a slightly different (nicer)

> design and improved facilities? It will look

> better and your houses will probably increase in

> value too. Presumably you were aware that Lordship

> lane is a busy South-East London shopping street

> when you moved here? And has been since the

> Victorian times? We are not in some rural idyll in

> Berkshire or something. Thriving shops are

> something many parts of England would give

> anything for. Some people, I feel, would complain

> about anything.

Perhaps ED people believe they are in the film Independence Day. Went to bed one night living in their perfect fashioned world and next morning, it all changed.HELP

Iceland was there long before many people moved in not being able to afford elsewhere

[James]

Bellenden is great thanks! Be nice to have an M&S within walking distance though... but I will shut up now. Have given my twopennoth :-)

[richard tudor]

richard tudor Wrote:

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> James Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > Anyone whould think they had murdered someone.

> > What exactly is the problem with a shop

> replacing

> > another shop with a slightly different (nicer)

> > design and improved facilities? It will look

> > better and your houses will probably increase

> in

> > value too. Presumably you were aware that

> Lordship

> > lane is a busy South-East London shopping

> street

> > when you moved here? And has been since the

> > Victorian times? We are not in some rural idyll

> in

> > Berkshire or something. Thriving shops are

> > something many parts of England would give

> > anything for. Some people, I feel, would

> complain

> > about anything.

>

> Perhaps ED people believe they are in the film

> Independence Day. Went to bed one night living in

> their perfect fashioned world and next morning, it

> all changed.HELP

>

> Iceland was there long before many people moved in

> not being able to afford elsewhere

[i*Rate]

Hi Sue and LondonMix,

Yes, I was being sarcastic and yes, the staff have been offered jobs elsewhere at other branches which is a reasonable deal for them in the circumstances.

I do feel sorry for them knowing what it was like for me, some years ago, when I got made redundant after 16 years in a job.I had a large mortgage (on a house in ED) and a wife and three children to support at the time, but I bounced back, luckily.

[James Barber]

Ward councillors were sent an email to alert us and I also get a paper summary of all planning applications - a pain to go through but I do with zeal.

applying so consultation goes over a holiday is a very old trick by developers. But it wont go to committee for some time.

Whether you supported or objected to the last planning application you will need to do it all again for your views to be counted for this iteration.

[LondonMix]

Thanks, I'll give it a go. It appears the Transport Group has recommended that they provide 3 years Street Car membership for each new flat created as a parking mitigation strategy. Has anyone seen if this has been adopted in the proposal?

What are people's views on the times used for the parking assessment (4:30am and 7:30pm on a Tuesday and Thursday) for the residential units? At these times there was spare parking capacity within 200m of the shop location (which is how they justify that there is parking capacity for the new residential units) but is this when parking pressures would normally be most acute? I don't drive so I don't know. I actually think no one really uses the Iceland parking lot anyhow as its so hidden but it would be good to hear other's thoughts.

Also, in the original objection made, was it assumed that the delivery vehicles would by 10.7m lorries? The Autotrack analysis suggests there won't be access issues. Does anyone have a view on this? I remember there were concerns about reversing and I can't tell if this has been adequately addressed in the Autotrack analysis. It doesn't appear to be the case but I'm no expert.

To my eye, the residential footpath combined with access bridge looks like a good response to the residential safety access concerns.

Edited for copious typos!

first mate Wrote:

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> London Mix, I am sure you can make intelligent

> comments. Actually having sight of the docs is a

> bonus!

[LondonMix]

That's not too bad. Inconvenient for some I'm sure but I imagine Iceland overall are explanding even if this shop is closing so hopefully they can all find a new shop that isn't too much of a hassle for them to reach (or get jobs in M&S if it opens).

i*Rate Wrote:

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> Hi Sue and LondonMix,

>

> Yes, I was being sarcastic and yes, the staff have

> been offered jobs elsewhere at other branches

> which is a reasonable deal for them in the

> circumstances.

>

> I do feel sorry for them knowing what it was like

> for me, some years ago, when I got made redundant

> after 16 years in a job.I had a large mortgage (on

> a house in ED) and a wife and three children to

> support at the time, but I bounced back, luckily.

[Zebedee Tring]

Well, if it's a choice between an empty shop after Iceland leave and a new M&S, it's M&S every time as far as I am concerned.

[BrandNewGuy]

alosinom67 Wrote:

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> Yes indeed Cora I totally agree. Iceland is the

> only shop in East Dulwich that the middle classes

> turn their noses up at but it supplies cheap

> staples that you wouldn't find in supermarkets

> such as Sainsburys and Co-op. These silly "Local"

> stores with their 25% price increases only serve

> to duplicate all other high streets in the

> country. What happened to individuality?

We're as middle class as they come and use Iceland more regularly than virtually any other Lordship Lane shop, so there's no need for chippiness. No-one's more or less virtuous in this argument.

[Sue]

i*Rate Wrote:

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> Hi Sue and LondonMix,

>

> Yes, I was being sarcastic and yes, the staff have

> been offered jobs elsewhere at other branches

> which is a reasonable deal for them in the

> circumstances.

>

> I do feel sorry for them knowing what it was like

> for me, some years ago, when I got made redundant

> after 16 years in a job.I had a large mortgage (on

> a house in ED) and a wife and three children to

> support at the time, but I bounced back, luckily.

xxxxxxxx

I'm very sorry for the staff, who seemed like a well-knit and hard-working team, but very glad they've been offered other jobs. Hope they will be able to take them up without having to travel to the other side of London :(

Glad things worked out for you, i*rate, and sorry I misconstrued your sarcasm :)

[first mate]

Just to underline, immediately local objections are not to M&S per se. The issue is with the size and footprint of the overall development and the inevitable knock-on effect on parking. There are also concerns about the delivery schedule and frequency. The last application was proposing more deliveries in a smaller space. Delivery vehicles have caused a fair amount of damage over the years to residential property and cars. There are also concerns about noise and there is this processing plant to consider too...what is that?

So please... this is about the detail of the overall proposal not M&S.

[KalamityKel]

Why haven't residents in the effected area been notified of this new application as with the other application?

Rather sneaky no? Especially for our local councillor who was incredibly interested the first time round and now not to mention anything until someone else spotted the application on the planning website. Shame on you Mr Barber!

[charles26]

I have to say I have wanted an M&S on Lordship lane for some time now. Whilst I understand some people save money by doing their ?essential? shopping in Iceland, the food there is simply horrible and i wouldnt feed my kids it. Its too bigger space for just essentials as cora has mentioned above.

Replacing Iceland with M&S will lift the image of lordship lane and together with the signage grant that is now available for new signage/shopfront renovation for lower lordship lane retailers, the few shop fronts that stand out as poor will soon improve, giving the lane a more consistent flow. This will make the area more desirable and have a positive effect on the area as a whole, driving property prices etc

[charles26]

The parking issue wouldnt affect me as I dont use a car as it is not economical nor necessary for me to do so. I have not been affected by damage or noise from delivery vehicles and nor have i heard of this before now. Personally, the benefits of an M&S on LL far outweigh any objections to the proposal

[macrobana]

charles26 Wrote:

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>

> Replacing Iceland

> will make the area more desirable

> driving

> property prices.

Bad.

[HelBel65]

> Replacing Iceland

> will make the area more desirable

> driving

> property prices.

Bad.

I'm a bit puzzled as to why anyone would think the area becoming more desirable is bad? So, logically, the area NOT becoming more desirable is good?

[richard tudor]

Perhaps ED people believe they are in the film Independence Day. Went to bed one night living in their perfect fashioned world and next morning, it all changed.HELP

Iceland is always mentioned but it was there long before many people moved in when not being able to afford elsewhere.

Whilst it is welcome for the area to improve do not ignore the requirements of others. Rather like the old days of moving to a country village because it was cute and then doing all in ones power to make it over to to where they came from. People make an area not prissy shops.

[the-e-dealer]

Since Part of Independence Day was filmed in East Dulwich maybe we are right!

[HelBel65]

I've only been here a relatively short time, and am largely in favour of the M+S idea. Each to their own. That aside, I'm still confused as to what is 'bad' about improving the desirability of an area. Does it not benefit everyone, most particularly the people who live here, be they young or old, rich or poor?

[LondonMix]

Iceland is closing regardless of what happens to this planning application (and by in large that is a business decision based on demographic trends in the area in all likelihood).

Let's please focus on how we want the site to be redeveloped so its a as good for the community as possible.

[first mate]

charles26, do you live in the street right next to the car wash? Just wondering? Most people in the street affected are aware of cars being badly damaged as well as residential property (garden walls have been knocked down) by delivery vehicles. Again, no objection to M&S it is the overall development which seeks to squeeze much, much more into the same space.

[first mate]

James (Barber),

When were you first aware of this second application, and on what date did you receive it?

The applicants have had as much time as they needed to prpeare this application, so why is there so little apparent time for locals to object and why have those close to the development not been alerted other than by this forum? I'm sure its all in the planning fine print and technically it is all in order...but the process seems weighted in favour of the developer.

[richard tudor]

WHERE?

[Jeremy]

HelBel65 Wrote:

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> I'm a bit puzzled as to why anyone would think the

> area becoming more desirable is bad?

People don't want property prices to rise even further. The only people who would benefit are people who leave the area.