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With the new rules residents are supposed to place their bins on the edge of the property in time for pick up


This is, of course, a ridiculous requirement - it assumes that everyone has a 'garden' frontage without walls - someone with a normal frontage with a gate into the street would block access by leaving up to 3 bins (two large, one small) in the gateway (but still inside their property; someone without a garden frontage would not be able to place their bins for collection elsewhere than in the street. Once placed 'on the edge of the property' but outside your curtilage this is no longer 'within the boundary of the property'.


And for anyone whose property fronts directly onto the street, without a 'front garden' of whatever size it would be entirely impossible to meet the council's requirements.


Only those with wide openings from their front garden into the street would be able to place their bins for collection on the edge of the property but still within it, and still be able to access their own front doors 'through' the bins.


Maybe the council and their officers are looking for another fines bonanza!

I don?t think that the bins on the street is anything to do with collection days, it?s that lots of properties are conversion flats and haven?t allowed for suitable bin storage (even though in many cases it could be done). Some actual enforcement that bins can?t be left on the pavement would address this but doesn?t happen. Some streets are particularly bad and not passable with buggies or wheelchairs

It seems that many bins are left on the pavements by people who live in houses that have room in their front gardens for them but just don't want bins there. In one area there were seventeen bins on the pavement the other day and all the front gardens could easily hold them.


A few years back this problem was solved by enforcement officers putting a notice through doors to say "Any refuse bins found abandoned on the Public Highways will be treated as an offence under the Enviromental Protection Act 1990". Instantly all the offending bins were pulled off the pavement.


Southwark say they know there is a huge problem but will not be issuing those notices again. Why not? It was cheap and effective.

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> It seems that many bins are left on the pavements

> by people who live in houses that have room in

> their front gardens for them but just don't want

> bins there. In one area there were seventeen bins

> on the pavement the other day and all the front

> gardens could easily hold them.

>

> A few years back this problem was solved by

> enforcement officers putting a notice through

> doors to say "Any refuse bins found abandoned on

> the Public Highways will be treated as an offence

> under the Enviromental Protection Act 1990".

> Instantly all the offending bins were pulled off

> the pavement.

>

> Southwark say they know there is a huge problem

> but will not be issuing those notices again. Why

> not? It was cheap and effective.


Have Southwark actually said they won't be writing to residents? We have a big problem with bins permanently stored on pavements and we were considering logging on to the link mentioned in an earlier post.

Has anyone noticed that when Southwark brings in in arrangements for anything it usually results in chaos?


The new operations by some bin men seems to be throw the bins anywhere. Why were there no major problems before?


It is summer people are away and bins seem to be thrown into house entrances to be left till people return from holiday.


My bins were always taken and put back just inside the front entrance now they seem thrown anywhere to save time.


Advertising we are away. Putting bins back by neighbours as many places are transient renters seems to be a thing of the past. Written to Southwark and the police about this, ignored.

Part of the problem is that Veolia has been changing all the routes (and changing the teams on the routes) - so that bin men who knew the area and where bins were meant to go are now working in different areas without that knowledge. Change normally p**s people off, so the bin men now in your area don't any longer really care, they just want to get the job over, as (because it's new to them) it appears to take longer. If you're familiar with a route/ area you know what to expect etc. The route changes have been caused by the removal of the large bins so that more of the work is decanting small caddies into a large bin being hauled by a front man - as it is large bins which get tipped into the lorries, not small ones. For those who just now put waste straight into the caddies (no liners) this is a much nastier job for the bin men, particularly in hot weather.


Just imagine the joy when the (generally efficient) Veolia back-office is replaced by council staff (as is now official Labour policy) - and we all know how good these are at delivering value and efficiency - we just have this exercise for instance to go by.

Dunstan's (Dunstans?) is particularly bad from Goodrich up the hill on the right hand side. Some houses have no space but others do and choose not to put them inside their garden. It looks ugly and encourages flytipping but, hey, if it's easier for them who are we to argue the benefits of neighbourliness?

Not sure if this is the same everywhere, but on our road, one guy comes round wheeling all the bins out onto the pavement, then the other guys follow in the truck emptying them. Sometimes they return the bins to the front yards, sometimes they do not. This is particularly annoying as it makes it very obvious if a house is empty for any length of time. And of course is pretty inconvenient for buggies, wheelchairs, etc.


Often - particularly with the style of houses that have stairs up to the doorway and a semi-basement level below - there is no front yard at all. Not sure what the answer is there.

We used live in a terrace of small Edwardian houses with steps and no front area space, so we all had a small bin that fitted next to the front door.Then recycling was introduced and green bins.The recycling box was no problem, but the large green bins had to be hauled over a small wall, (or habitually left on the pavement) When the blue bins were first introduced we were on holiday, and when we returned, our street was like Bin City. Veolia were supposed to have checked the viability of large bins in small spaces; they didn't.

London is full of boroughs with vintage terraces, and the posher ones are required to use separate bags for their rubbish, to be left out only on the day.


After a long and determined struggle we managed to get this for our street, and it worked very well. Environmentally it was a triumph! The problem seems to be multi residential homes where tenants come and go, and no-one thinks they are responsible for the bins.

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