Best Burger in the Area

[Otta]

Why would they? I like my red meat a bit bloody, and it won't harm me. If I see blood on chicken, there is no way it's going in my mouth.

[*Bob*]

I was curious as to whether the people advocating eating rare burgers would also ride a unicycle whilst playing a penny whistle.. But I then I realised they were two different things.

That said, I'm with Keef. I'll never waste my money on another burger - unless it's served under golden arches.

[*Bob*]

I think the science is: when you cook a steak, you can have it as bloody as you like as long as you blast the bit on the outside which is open to the air, because that's where any potential danger is.

The issue with burgers is that if the person what prepared them minced the bit on the outside and then cooked them rare, then a bit on the outside which might not be potentially safe is now on the inside and uncooked.

Potentially..

[nashoi]

The bacteria on a steak is on the outside of the meat, cook it and you kill the bacteria. Mince the steak first and you spread the bacteria throughout the meat. Failure to cook the burger throuroughly and you risk e coli, salmonella etc. The reasoning is different but they're both health risks.

[nashoi]

Cross post, yes that's my point.

[*Bob*]

Yes.. but whilst a properly prepared rare burger (ie take the bit round the edge before you mince it) is totally fine, rare chicken will never be so. So you're not really dealing with the same threat.

Anyway, they're still shite.

[maxxi]

*Bob* Wrote:

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> Yes.. but whilst a properly prepared rare burger

> (ie take the bit round the edge before you mince

> it) is totally fine, rare chicken will never be

> so. So you're not really dealing with the same

> threat.

>

>

Damn - there goes the customer base for my chicken sashimi bar...

http://geoffmackay.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/chicken-sashimi.jpg

[guna nua]

Florence in Herne Hill or GBK on Lordship Lane

[dbboy]

Fancied a burger yesterday so while at the butchers (W.Bunting) on Peckham Park Road noticed they had some home made frozen 1/2lb burgers (beef with a bit of seasoning). Bought two, popped one in the freexer and had the other last night in toasted bread with sliced gerkin, tomatoe, onion and daddies ketchup. It was totally awesome. Will be going back for more next Saturday, so if you fancy some pop along.

[Alex K]

Two posters have recommended Gourmet Burger Kitchen.

Gourmet Burger Kitchen!

For shame. You know who you are.

***

Don't MEATWAGON mean to return to the Rye? Every time I bus through there I crane my head hopefully to the left, trying to monitor the rate of progress. Glacial. But, dear sweet little Lord Jesus, if they come back, oh, happy day!

And you lot who think that dolloping this and that avocado - bleu cheese - chutneyfied stodge over a "burger" not worth nailing over a mousehole makes that non-burger "gourmet", just you wait till MEATWAGON indeed ARE back. I promise not to say "I told you so".

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Maxxi: Check your local Japan-free-and-easeries for "kashiwa" (alt. "kasiha"). Chicken sashimi. Lovely delicate stuff. I've had it only in Tokyo, made with breast meat. Mmmmm. But maybe it's available in London. Most things are. *finger to nose, wink*

[DulwichFox]

OK... so it is kinda Trendy to eat Rare Raw Beef (Burgers)

Food Poisoning

Pathogenic bacteria in raw hamburger meat can give you food poisoning.

Food poisoning is characterized by nausea, vomiting, abdominal cramps, diarrhea, fever and dehydration.

Some bacteria also cause other symptoms.

For example, E. coli O157:H7, a bacteria found in raw hamburger, causes hemolytic uremic syndrome,

which is fatal in 3 to 5 percent of cases,

according to the National Digestive Diseases Information Clearinghouse.

About 5,000 people in the United States die every year from food poisoning.

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It is up to the individual to decide if they want to eat Rare Beef

Enjoy.. ;-)

Foxy.

[Alex K]

@Foxy: "Hunde, wollt Ihr ewig leben?!" -- Frederick the Great, watching his grenadiers flee at the battle of Kolin...

[Gidget]

dbboy Wrote:

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> Fancied a burger yesterday so while at the

> butchers (W.Bunting) on Peckham Park Road noticed

> they had some home made frozen 1/2lb burgers (beef

> with a bit of seasoning). Bought two, popped one

> in the freexer and had the other last night in

> toasted bread with sliced gerkin, tomatoe, onion

> and daddies ketchup. It was totally awesome. Will

> be going back for more next Saturday, so if you

> fancy some pop along.

Does this butchers say what kind of beef it is? How long aged etc?

[RosieH]

*reads Foxy's post, tucks into a delicious steak tartare*

mmmm

[titch juicy]

I'm amazed no-one's opened a decent burger bar on lordship lane or nearby- surely a licence to print money

[dbboy]

Have been using this butcher practically every week for about the last three years. Quality of meat has always been excellent. Well worth a visit and will cut anything you want.

[DulwichFox]

Alex K Wrote:

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> @Foxy: "Hunde, wollt Ihr ewig leben?!" --

> Frederick the Great, watching his grenadiers flee

> at the battle of Kolin...

M?chten Sie an der Unwissenheit sterben ...

Der Fuchs .

[Gidget]

dbboy Wrote:

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> Have been using this butcher practically every

> week for about the last three years. Quality of

> meat has always been excellent. Well worth a visit

> and will cut anything you want.

Some butchers don't have very aged beef though. Your taste might not be the same as mine. Do they mince it in front of you?

[Annette Curtain]

Bassahi Burgers are very good, though hard to find this side of the pond.

*sighs*

Netts

[david_carnell]

Otta/*Bob*

No class issue here. Only in your head.

But if you don't even like/get burgers then why even comment? It'd be like me commenting on a thread asking about the best nail bar.

And if you really can't tell the difference or prefer a McDonalds to some like a Byron/Goodman/MeatWagon etc burger you're being either deliberately provocative (look at me - I'm not going with majority opinion on something "cool") or your tastebuds and curled up into a foetal position and begun to rock themselves into a coma.

[Otta]

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But if you don't even like/get burgers then why even comment? It'd be like me commenting on a thread asking about the best nail bar.

Erm, not really David. I imagine you'll never get your nails done (although what you do behind closed doors is no one's business but your own) so you'd have no need to read / comment on a nail bar thread. I have eaten, and will no doubt find myself eating burgers again, and thought this was the ideal thread to ask what the big deal is.

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And if you really can't tell the difference or prefer a McDonalds to some like a Byron/Goodman/MeatWagon etc burger you're being either deliberately provocative (look at me - I'm not going with majority opinion on something "cool") or your tastebuds and curled up into a foetal position and begun to rock themselves into a coma.

You misunderstand, I am not saying I can't tell the difference, I am saying a maccas is what it is, and at times, I'll nip in at lunch time, and usually regret it after. The MeatWagon type burger is undoubtedly a far superior quality product, but high quality doesn't necessarily lead to more enjoyable (Fried chicken is about as low grade as you can get, but damn me if it aint tasty). All I was asking is what people go so crazy about, because for me, they are just not that enjoyable, and I'd rather have that meat as a solid steak.

Why is it that when anyone comments in the negative about a thing / place you like, or a paper you read, you seem to take it as a personal attack, and defend it like the world would fall apart otherwise. What is wrong with just accepting that different people like different things, and that is cool.

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No class issue here. Only in your head.

Never said it was a class issue, just alluded to the fact that you seem to think that I think everything is about class.

[DulwichFox]

Brixton Village ... Dulwich Village.. ???

I have met people who have been to Lordship Lane and thought they had been to Dulwich Village.

Not sure if they sell Burgers in Dulwich Village. Never go there to eat and drink.

Fox..

[Otta]

You can't get good food in Dulwich Village I'm afraid. Any nice little independent place would never afford the rent I guess.

[*Bob*]

Sometimes things which are dirty, cheap and wrong are just eminently more satisfying. Not often, I grant you, but sometimes - and (for me) burgers are one of those times.

I have dipped my toe into the world of the proppa burger time and time again, like a fool, because I really want to believe, but the simple truth is that I don't enjoy them that much. In fact around two thirds of the way in, sure as eggs, I'm sick to death of the whole experience.

In contrast I dine with Ronald perhaps a few times a year - and have not once left his table disappointed.

Ok, David?

[RosieH]

Otta, *Bob*, I'll tell you what the big deal is with a good burger and that's hot, juicy umami my friends.

Meat = umami

Cheese - umami

Ketchup = umami

Holy cow, it's a holy trinity of delicious moreishness!

Which is massively lacking in a MaccaD's. Don't get me wrong, sometimes (usually once a year or so, after many and several pints) a quarter pounder with cheese is just what the doctor ordered. But McDonalds are sweet rather than savoury, and they're bone-dry, all the moisture coming from the sauce and the gherkins. A good Meatliquor burger doesn't feel any less dirty, but it tastes deep-down savoury, and when the juices dribble down your fingers, you want to lick them. I don't feel that way about the faint film of grease on a McD's bun.