Preparations for Trump's State visit 3-5 June - Demo central London on Tuesday

[JohnL]

uncleglen Wrote:

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> Jules-and-Boo Wrote:

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> > I think hopes of a healthy relationship are

> quite

> > worrying.

> >

> > If Trump gets his hands on the NHS, that would

> be

> > un-doable - special relationship or not - I

> think

> > that would now be considered very one sided

>

> Apart from the training of the medics (who seem to

> clear off asap) every piece of equipment, every

> drug, all the cleaners, catering staff etc etc is

> supplied by the private sector...this is an

> example of what can happen

> https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/nhs-rich

> ard-branson-virgin-care-legal-settlement-tendering

> -contract-a8080961.html

> The NHS probably benefits from economies of scale

>

> https://www.supplychain.nhs.uk/news/press-releases

> /2012/smatter-better-procurement/- operated by

> DHL....

I think this is what they want - already tried to get it in TTIP.

"Once NHS services are outsourced to the private sector it may be difficult to reverse the process, particularly if trade agreements like TTIP are signed. The leading bidders for the Staffordshire contract for cancer and end of life care, for example, are all thought to be US private health companies. Under the investment protection measures that TTIP will probably include, a transnational corporation that wins an NHS contract will be able to sue the UK government for huge compensation if new government or local authority policies undermine the corporation?s future profits. "

http://www.patients4nhs.org.uk/private-companies-involvement-in-the-nhs/

[Sue]

cella Wrote:

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> It's the present occupant of the role we are all

> demonstrating against today. Any American

> President should be invited though disagree, like

> Jeremy Corbyn, with caving into his demand of full

> state visit. He is here mainly to put his already

> being negotiated trade demands on the table, inc

> NHS, agriculture etc, and to meet with likely

> future Leaders/PM to make sure these happen in the

> way he expects. We rightly should all be very

> afraid of how this will change people's lives and

> the lowering of food safety standards and

> employment rights. If you are not worried by this

> nor demonstrating then perhaps ask yourself why.

Yes.

This country - and the world - is on a very dangerous path, for many reasons.

Some of us want to stand up and be counted and try to make a difference.

And Jeremy Corbyn made a passionate, heartfelt and inspiring speech.

[JohnL]

When Trump was asked about the NHS he moved over to Theresa May and asked apparently what it stood for.

Maybe expect some backtracking on this once his advisers tell him how much the UK values the NHS and how it might allow Corbyn to be elected.

[JohnL]

Three different pubs tonight I was sitting next to people cursing Trump over the NHS

[VelvetBlueberry]

I'm pretty sure I read that the NHS talks were started by somebody else... not Trump. & now that people are asking him if NHS is on the table, of course he's going to say it is, as everything is. To say that this means he has his eyes set on the NHS is just putting words into his mouth. We mustn't jump to conclusions. I believe making a deal with the US will be far more fair than any deal made with the EU.

[malumbu]

Went down to have a look at lunchtime. Numbers a bit disappointing but this is not the issue.

There are some, including posters on this site, who question protests and some who even think he's a great leader.

It's easy to take the London/intellectual/political class/liberal etc etc view on everything - Brexit, immigration, social integration, etc etc. It's easy to be mocked as a snowflake. It's right to listen to the other argument, hopefully to enrich your knowledge and rarely to change your view.

But this is as black and white as it gets. It's not a democrat good (plenty of wrongs there) republicans bad. It's the individual.

Our politicians make mistakes. They are caught with their pants down. But as a whole, as objectionable as many may be they have etiquette, decorum, statespersonship, diplomacy.

Whatever the wrongs and rights of Khan, why the fick stir things up? Who the fick advises you, and do you listen. What about saying sod the consequences, I am going to meet the people, visit a few schools and hospitals, kiss a few babies. Arrogant (and all the rest of the criticisms) twonk.

[JohnL]

Donald Trump has come to this country and basically caused chaos - turns out Sajid Javid wasn't invited to the Queens banquet (the only senior minister not invited) as people were scared Trump might mix him up with Sadiq Khan.

[JohnL]

VelvetBlueberry Wrote:

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> I'm pretty sure I read that the NHS talks were

> started by somebody else... not Trump. & now that

> people are asking him if NHS is on the table, of

> course he's going to say it is, as everything is.

> To say that this means he has his eyes set on the

> NHS is just putting words into his mouth. We

> mustn't jump to conclusions. I believe making a

> deal with the US will be far more fair than any

> deal made with the EU.

He's retracted now

As expected - the guy speaks before he knows what he's talking about.

[JohnL]

The suggestion was first made by Woody Johnson the US Ambassador - and he wasn't fully challenged when he said it.

Trump says it and everybody loses it :)

Anyway after DDay-75 he's off to Ireland tomorrow where I expect he'll fully back the GFA.

[Sue]

JohnL Wrote:

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> Donald Trump has come to this country and

> basically caused chaos - turns out Sajid Javid

> wasn't invited to the Queens banquet (the only

> senior minister not invited) as people were scared

> Trump might mix him up with Sadiq Khan.

That would be very very funny if it wasn't so terrifying.

Also terrifying is that there is now a petition attempting to get Sadiq Khan sacked. When I first saw it I thought it was a joke. It isn't. Last night it had already got thousands of signatures.

I don't want to look again. I feel physically sick at what this country and the world is becoming, and that so many people seem oblivious.

[Hemingway]

I don't think it is terryfying ; it's just social media/online exaggerates extreme views. People are getting 'hysterical' about this and similar. It's constant exposure to nutters and extremists via socail media.

Out in 'the world', not on line or at demos, there's a far more polite, peaceful and benevolent world generally, even in London. Civility still broadly rules OK.

Petition or not SK will get back in - personally i think he's pretty poor but better than the alternatives and many previous

[Sue]

The demo yesterday was polite, peaceful and benevolent. Except towards Trump :))

[teddyboy23]

And that poor milkshake

[cella]

Hemingway Wrote:

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> I don't think it is terryfying ; it's just social

> media/online exaggerates extreme views. People are

> getting 'hysterical' about this and similar. It's

> constant exposure to nutters and extremists via

> socail media.

>

> Out in 'the world', not on line or at demos,

> there's a far more polite, peaceful and benevolent

> world generally, even in London. Civility still

> broadly rules OK.

>

> Petition or not SK will get back in - personally i

> think he's pretty poor but better than the

> alternatives and many previous

Your great namesake will be turning in his grave. Maybe get out more, read real journalism and worry a bit.

[uncleglen]

Hemingway Wrote:

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> I don't think it is terryfying ; it's just social

> media/online exaggerates extreme views. People are

> getting 'hysterical' about this and similar. It's

> constant exposure to nutters and extremists via

> socail media.

>

> Out in 'the world', not on line or at demos,

> there's a far more polite, peaceful and benevolent

> world generally, even in London. Civility still

> broadly rules OK.

>

> Petition or not SK will get back in - personally i

> think he's pretty poor but better than the

> alternatives and many previous

I think you are right...an example of this exaggeration happened yesterday when a group of pro-Trump people were surrounded by anti-Trump people shouting 'Nazi scum' and the cops had to usher the pro people into the nearest Wetherspoons and protect them from the hysterical crowd

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/lifestyle/trump-supporters-barricaded-in-wetherspoons-pub-by-police-after-being-surrounded-by-protesters/04/06/

[Hemingway]

cella Wrote:

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> Hemingway Wrote:

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> -----

> > I don't think it is terryfying ; it's just

> social

> > media/online exaggerates extreme views. People

> are

> > getting 'hysterical' about this and similar.

> It's

> > constant exposure to nutters and extremists via

> > socail media.

> >

> > Out in 'the world', not on line or at demos,

> > there's a far more polite, peaceful and

> benevolent

> > world generally, even in London. Civility still

> > broadly rules OK.

> >

> > Petition or not SK will get back in - personally

> i

> > think he's pretty poor but better than the

> > alternatives and many previous

>

> Your great namesake will be turning in his grave.

> Maybe get out more, read real journalism and worry

> a bit.

OOh. Is it my turn for cella's daily argument?

[cella]

Hemingway Wrote:

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> cella Wrote:

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> > Hemingway Wrote:

> >

> --------------------------------------------------

>

> > -----

> > > I don't think it is terryfying ; it's just

> > social

> > > media/online exaggerates extreme views.

> People

> > are

> > > getting 'hysterical' about this and similar.

> > It's

> > > constant exposure to nutters and extremists

> via

> > > socail media.

> > >

> > > Out in 'the world', not on line or at demos,

> > > there's a far more polite, peaceful and

> > benevolent

> > > world generally, even in London. Civility

> still

> > > broadly rules OK.

> > >

> > > Petition or not SK will get back in -

> personally

> > i

> > > think he's pretty poor but better than the

> > > alternatives and many previous

> >

> > Your great namesake will be turning in his

> grave.

> > Maybe get out more, read real journalism and

> worry

> > a bit.

>

>

> OOh. Is it my turn for cella's daily argument?

Fraid not Kenneth Williams and not sure what you mean. Just challenging your passive views.