Preparations for Trump's State visit 3-5 June - Demo central London on Tuesday

[peckman]

The najority velvet blueberry? It was basically a coin toss ? Akthough my mussus made a good point .. give the brexit people what they want .. ride it out for 10 years and at least our children will have a chance when everyone realises what a stupid decision it is . For the record corbyn is as bad as the torues

[Zebedee Tring]

So, VB, you agree with Trump's attack on Khan on the basis that he is short. You said that Trump was completely right. So being over 6ft tall makes Trump an OK bloke, does it?

As I am 6ft 1in tall, no doubt you would approve of me too!

[VelvetBlueberry]

peckman Wrote:

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For the record corbyn is as bad

as the torues

I'm going to assume you meant "tories" & I can't disagree with that... Our government is a mess...

[teddyboy23]

Equalities and human rights commission has ordered an official probe into labour anti semitism .

[JohnL]

VelvetBlueberry Wrote:

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> or storming the streets like the sore losers that

> they are, the fact still stands that we are due to

> leave the EU, so I'm curious to know whether

> they've been spending any of the past 2 years

> productively thinking of ways to help themselves.

Of course we have - do you think we're stupid - the poor will suffer whilst most of us here will be OK.

[JohnL]

Pay off debt (if you have any), Save a bit and try and gain skills that are in demand.

That's the Brexit survival plan - but that won't help the unemployed, low paid, pensioners will be hit eventually as the government and oppositions have realised they need to help the young if they want future votes.

[DulwichFox]

Trump criticises Sadiq_Khan on his handling of Knife_Crime.

Well that may well be true.

BUT what is Trump doing about Gun crime back home.

[IlonaM]

Prove the Donald wrong ...

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/donald-trump-uk-visit-thousands-to-protest-in-london-as-theresa-may-holds-talks-with-us-president-on-a4158526.html

[JohnL]

Trump is playing the trade deal game already.

Liam Fox seems to have pulled back on trade deal expectations. They will be difficult and we will need to negotiate hard to keep our management of NHS resources and food standards it seems.

What we are going to do I guess is put the NHS and food standards on the table and claim a success when we manage to retain most of those (but concede in most other areas).

Fox now supports Jeremy Hunt for leader - read into that what you want.

[uncleglen]

cella Wrote:

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> > > The Presidential plane is in sight over

> > Stanstead

> > > when Sky News break that the President has

> just

> > > tweeted that Sadiq Khan is a loser.

> >

> > Not before Khan was disrespectful to Trump-

> Khan

> > is taking the visit as a great opportunity for

> > electioneering...

> >

> > And in reply to ZT...Trump was elected many

> people

> > obviously supported his policies and are still

> > happy with them. I am not sure where his

> decision

> > about the transgender people in the military is

> > coming from but that is for them to decide and

> I

> > dare say the military have reported on the cost

> of

> > surgeries and treatment and the disruption to

> > service by transgender soldiers and a decision

> was

> > made. I do believe that the democrats will jump

> on

> > anything they can to smear Trump- much like the

> > attitude of the far-left in the UK ...after all

> > that is the nature of the filthy world of

> > politics...and at the end of the day 'we' all

> love

> > an endless supply of cheap labour- it kind of

> fits

> > in with 'I want that and I want it NOW'

>

> Wrong on all counts. You appear to be a Trump

> supporter and notice the way you slip in your view

> on transgender and the military. Also your use of

> the word "filthy". All round depressing.

I have no view on transgender and the military in the USA if you read it properly...yes read it properly and stop putting your own spin on it- you sound like a politician which is why you object to me referring to the world of politics as 'filthy'- it is...and anyone who thinks otherwise is deluded..Gove said it all when he said he was sick of 'experts'- yes because they show him and his power-crazy vote-seeking ilk up for what they are really about.

[cella]

Madness. Love the way you think calling someone a politician is an insult. Very transparent.

[Lemming]

Trump is a bell-end obviously, but to misquote the football saying: the president is temporary, the relationship is permanent.

Let any of the electorate who fancy it float balloons, shout and draw 'cock cicles' and so on, fine. But for Corbyn and his inner circle - those who aspire to hold the reins of government - to engage in such student megaphone tomfoolery? What a bunch of absolute tits.

[cella]

It's the present occupant of the role we are all demonstrating against today. Any American President should be invited though disagree, like Jeremy Corbyn, with caving into his demand of full state visit. He is here mainly to put his already being negotiated trade demands on the table, inc NHS, agriculture etc, and to meet with likely future Leaders/PM to make sure these happen in the way he expects. We rightly should all be very afraid of how this will change people's lives and the lowering of food safety standards and employment rights. If you are not worried by this nor demonstrating then perhaps ask yourself why.

[Lemming]

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He is here mainly to put his already being negotiated trade demands on the table

I'm not an expert, but I believe that - in order to see and negotiate what's 'on the table' - it helps if you're at least prepared to be 'in the room'.

[JohnL]

The Queen is crafty

She showed Trump the pewter horse he gave her last time and asked him if he recognised it "No" - Melania did however. Also gave Trump a book on WW2.

Some Americans see this as "throwing shade" :)

https://www.harpersbazaar.com/celebrity/latest/a27702429/trump-state-visit-england-tweets-memes/

[Hemingway]

Got to agree with what Lemming says. Corbyn's been fine to sit down and talk with some nastier characters than Trump in the past. Just his pathetic anti-west student orientated protest politics,

[Jules-and-Boo]

FFS - Corbyn is behaving like a child. Stamping your feet because you don't like someone's policies is not the way forward. What if he gets elected as PM - will he just refuse to communicate with individuals?

He's basically saying that he will NOT come to the table, so technically, as far as he's concerned - any negotiations are up the Tories to sort out - and they have an absolutely shite record of negotiations.

Trump must think his all his Christmases have come at once.

And we are so busy blowing up balloons ......

[JohnL]

Jules-and-Boo Wrote:

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> FFS - Corbyn is behaving like a child. Stamping

> your feet because you don't like someone's

> policies is not the way forward. What if he gets

> elected as PM - will he just refuse to communicate

> with individuals?

Remember Chukka

[Earl Aelfheah]

It's true that as a country we've rolled out the red carpet for some pretty nasty characters in the past. But I do think it's different with the POTUS. The US is one of our closest allies; we share many aspects of our culture and history. One would hope that we have more influence in this regard and perhaps more of a responsibility to be a critical friend.

You might (rightly) speak more honestly, openly and even critically, to a friend than a business acquaintance for example.

[Jules-and-Boo]

Hope? That's a pretty silly requirement for political negotiation.

"I hope they don't completely FK us over, because we used to be friends"

[Earl Aelfheah]

I'm talking about why people might feel more motivated to protest against someone they profoundly disagree with in the White House, than the leader of another country to which they perhaps don't identify with personally, to the same degree. Sometimes these visits are just about 'doing business', but as a country many of us have a deeper sense investment the US in terms of it's ideology, culture and history. This is why people feel more compelled to voice their view on the POTUS than some other leaders.

I wasn't talking about any trade negotiations - just responding to the understandable parallels being drawn between this state visit and other (less remarked upon, but equally if not more dubious) ones.

[JohnL]

The Chinese visits were a mixture of protesters and fervent supporters along the Mall in the past.

I think the Mall is off limits with Trump.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4416574.stm (2005)

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/supporters-and-protesters-line-the-mall-for-chinese-state-visit-a3094821.html (2015)

And then look what happened .....

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/oct/23/activists-condemn-arrest-tibetan-pair-waving-flag-xi-jinping-met-police-chinese-president

[Jules-and-Boo]

I think hopes of a healthy relationship are quite worrying.

If Trump gets his hands on the NHS, that would be un-doable - special relationship or not - I think that would now be considered very one sided

[uncleglen]

Jules-and-Boo Wrote:

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> I think hopes of a healthy relationship are quite

> worrying.

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> If Trump gets his hands on the NHS, that would be

> un-doable - special relationship or not - I think

> that would now be considered very one sided

Apart from the training of the medics (who seem to clear off asap) every piece of equipment, every drug, all the cleaners, catering staff etc etc is supplied by the private sector...this is an example of what can happen

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/nhs-richard-branson-virgin-care-legal-settlement-tendering-contract-a8080961.html

The NHS probably benefits from economies of scale

https://www.supplychain.nhs.uk/news/press-releases/2012/smatter-better-procurement/- operated by DHL....

[JohnL]

When the Queen gave Trump Churchill's first edition of "World War 2" she made the following speech

?After the shared sacrifices of the Second World War, Britain and the United States worked with other allies to build an assembly of international institutions, to ensure that the horrors of conflict would never be repeated, while the world has changed, we are forever mindful of the original purpose of these structures: nations working together to safeguard a hard-won peace,?

The Washington Post has picked up on this - so Trump might too

"The Queen did not explicitly name the institutions she was talking about, but the two global bodies established after World War II to prevent a similar conflict from happening again were the United Nations, NATO and later ? on a regional level ? the European Union. "

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2019/06/04/queen-has-remain-neutral-trump-one-comment-an-otherwise-diplomatic-speech-surprised/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.c60fd0132513