The Old Jaflong Restaurant to become a Pizza place

[DulwichFox]

Sephiroth Wrote:

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> Fark me

>

> 2019 and Louisa and foxy still banging on about

> pizza, class, wealth and health

>

> A tasty slab of pizza, filling you up in a

> restaurant setting for ?8 - truly the 1% have

> taken over

>

> Grow up you two. I know you haven?t managed it in

> at least 6 decades but give it a go

I just reported that After being closed for a couple of years Jaflong was reopening as a new Pizza gaff.

I'm not banging on about anything. I haven't mentioned anything about Class Wealth or Health

So Please do one.

[Sephiroth]

To be fair to you foxy, on this thread, you haven?t.

I guess it was the old ?foxy starts a thread moaning about a restaurant and Louisa pipes up with her usual?

Pizza paces are ten a penny. Because they are relatively cheap. And tasty. Bang for buck. People (as in ?will of?) love pizza. What are ya gonna do?

Not sure foxy has started a thread complaining about a new Indian restaurant - and what is the se22 Indian v pizza score these days?

[Abe_froeman]

Jaflong hasnt been closed for 2 years and replaced by a pizza shop.

Jaflong moved its business to an adjoining road and left an empty restuarant behind that has fallen into disrepair.

A new employer is taking over an empty retaurant creating working class jobs and selling a traditional Italian peasant food.

[Mscrawthew]

I'm more concerned that new business owners are lacking in imagination. Another barbers just opened by the station and now another pizza place. Do these places actually make money with at least 2 other places of the same nature only less than 10 minutes apart?

[tomskip]

And another opticians which I really don't think our high street needs. The fact is that our online shopping habits have reduced the need for local shops. Perhaps, in view of the acute housing shortage in London, we should be thinking of reverting commercial premises back to domestic (as has been the case in various side streets in ED).

[Wimpole]

I think we need a third cheese shop....

[NewWave]

Loutwo Wrote:

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> Pizzas are awful. Unhealthy, full of fat and bad

> carbs. Basically a dolled up bit of Welsh

> Rarebit.

>

> If this continues, our high street will be the

> exclusive destination for wealthy foodies and no

> one else. Sad news.

>

> Louisa.

I don't think wealthy foodies would eat pizza from a chain tbh. But I'm sick and tired of these pizza and burger resturants..no wonder the UK has an obesity problem!

[Loutwo]

Sephiroth Wrote:

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> To be fair to you foxy, on this thread, you

> haven?t.

>

> I guess it was the old ?foxy starts a thread

> moaning about a restaurant and Louisa pipes up

> with her usual?

>

> Pizza paces are ten a penny. Because they are

> relatively cheap. And tasty. Bang for buck.

> People (as in ?will of?) love pizza. What are ya

> gonna do?

>

> Not sure foxy has started a thread complaining

> about a new Indian restaurant - and what is the

> se22 Indian v pizza score these days?

If you walk down LL nowadays, you?ll find less Indians (four in total from the EDT to the Plough and one is take away only), and at present two pizzerias and one italian restaurant (so not sure if that can be included) and of course this new one.

The reason foxy has started no new threads about Indian restaurants is because no new ones have opened, and one has relocated.

Pizza is unhealthy. Why don?t we have a decent Mexican or Morrocan in the area?

Louisa.

[handh]

if it?s like 500 degrees in herne hill, that?s a big step up from chain pizza, very friendly and authentic, I hope the expansion won?t lower standards.

[Humdinger]

i noticed this the other day as there was a sign in the window asking for staff.

its meant to be a quite good (small) chain. Be nice to have some competition to Franco Manca.

[Humdinger]

This Louisa harps on about a pizza place, where a pizza is under ?10, being part of the problem of "wealthy foodies" flooding LL. Then she suggests it should be a Mexican or Moroccan instead (because that is her personal gourmet preference probably) which would cost easily double the amount of money for a meal. Pretty woeful analysis right there!

Also, please enlighten me on healthy Mexican cuisine. The Mexican cuisine served up in the U.K is invariably big piles of calorie laden meat, cheese and creamy sauces. Not too dissimilar to those "awful" and "inedible" pizzas.

[DulwichFox]

Abe_froeman Wrote:

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> Jaflong hasnt been closed for 2 years and replaced

> by a pizza shop.

>

> Jaflong moved its business to an adjoining road

> and left an empty restuarant behind that has

> fallen into disrepair.

>

> A new employer is taking over an empty retaurant

> creating working class jobs and selling a

> traditional Italian peasant food.

Curry Club ate at the NEW Jaflong Tandoori on the 14 July 2016

so The old Jaflong has been closed for nearly 3 years.

Foxy

[fishbiscuits]

Oh god... stop bloody moaning. Nobody cares if you like pizza or not.

[Loutwo]

Humdinger Wrote:

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> This Louisa harps on about a pizza place, where a

> pizza is under ?10, being part of the problem of

> "wealthy foodies" flooding LL. Then she suggests

> it should be a Mexican or Moroccan instead

> (because that is her personal gourmet preference

> probably) which would cost easily double the

> amount of money for a meal. Pretty woeful analysis

> right there!

>

> Also, please enlighten me on healthy Mexican

> cuisine. The Mexican cuisine served up in the U.K

> is invariably big piles of calorie laden meat,

> cheese and creamy sauces. Not too dissimilar to

> those "awful" and "inedible" pizzas.

We don?t need a high street for exclusive needs of foodies. People need shops they can use, they also need affordable options. If we didn?t already have at least a dozen pizzerias within spitting distance I would of course be very happy for said genre of gastronomic delights to open locally, but that isn?t the case.

A restaurant wouldn?t be my first choice, but if that?s all that we are to get then some diversity would be nice. A decent Morrocan or Mexican wouldn?t be as expensive as you suggest. They?re often way healthier and you get more for your money than you do at a pizza joint.

Louisa.

[Loutwo]

fishbiscuits Wrote:

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> Oh god... stop bloody moaning. Nobody cares if you

> like pizza or not.

The only people I see complaining here are the ones attacking myself and the fox for stating the blooming obvious!

Louisa.

[Abe_froeman]

But this site was restaurant, then an empty restaurant and now it will be a restauarant again.

I dont think it was ever a shop people can use.

And the restaurant that was there is just round the corner still so, net net, you still have the restaurant that was there (that people can use) and a second new restuarant (that more people will use).

[DulwichFox]

Louisa.

I'm not getting involved in this discussion;

My main interest is that I used to use the old Jaflong for many years and got to know Ali the owner very well.

There was a time when I was asked to invest but declined. I was also asked if I would like to take the place on

but what would I do with it.

I did arrange a meeting with a local entrepreneur and at one time could be 2 years back it could of been another T/A Pizza place.

When The new Jaflong Tandoori opened the owner was still burdoned with the old place.

So although that situation changed I was relieved to see the place reopening whatever it may be.

I would of liked it to be something different. I did talk to other Indian / Bangladeshi restaurant owners

about an indian Sweet shop selling Indian sweets, Shish kebab wraps and the like.

I've seen similar places in Tooting and Thornton Heath.

DulwichFox.

[Loutwo]

It seems our local historic ties with Indian/Bangladeshi eateries is slowly coming to an end. A heritage going back over 40 years now. If we continue to lose these cherished stalwarts of LL it will be the beginning of the end.

How anyone can want Pizzas chains over independent Indian restaurants amazes me. The very people who love local, love independent, picking and choosing what they want depending on their own preferences. People saying how great pizza is (even though we all know it?s the same old thing under a different label or name), and at the same time suggesting all our Indian restaurants locally are the same westernised version of authentic Indian cuisine.

Food snobbery at its best.

Louisa.

[Penguin68]

In general the market sorts this sort of thing out. If 'people' want another pizza place (despite what some posters think about pizza) it may thrive; if there are sufficient pizza places already, then, if this is better than an incumbent, that will fail and this will succeed, and if not, not.

Food can often be fashionable - and fashions change - back in the day, Cantonese and Bangladeshi (mainly) food was the rage - now less so and other more specialist eastern cuisines - either other cuisines from the far East and China, or from elsewhere on the Indian subcontinent. But still good Bangladeshi and good Cantonese restaurants will do well.

Quite a few different 'takes' on meeting customer eating-out needs have opened, thrived and failed (or not, and after different timescales) in LL. We did have at least one and (partly) two joints doing some take on Tex Mex once, I recall. Tastes changed. And will keep on changing.

Most people choose to eat somewhere which provides food at the price, and taste, they want. They probably (most) don't care about the economic model (chain, franchise, stand alone) underlying the operation. LL now has a wider variety of model (and food) than ever. The people in the area will decide (over time) which succeeds or continues to succeed, and which fail. That will be based on making an offer that people are interested in taking up, at a price they are prepared to pay. Right product (for the time) - right price. And any restaurateur worth their salt will recognise that tastes, and customers, change, and that they need to change with them.

[NewWave]

Loutwo Wrote:

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> Humdinger Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > This Louisa harps on about a pizza place, where

> a

> > pizza is under ?10, being part of the problem

> of

> > "wealthy foodies" flooding LL. Then she

> suggests

> > it should be a Mexican or Moroccan instead

> > (because that is her personal gourmet

> preference

> > probably) which would cost easily double the

> > amount of money for a meal. Pretty woeful

> analysis

> > right there!

> >

> > Also, please enlighten me on healthy Mexican

> > cuisine. The Mexican cuisine served up in the

> U.K

> > is invariably big piles of calorie laden meat,

> > cheese and creamy sauces. Not too dissimilar to

> > those "awful" and "inedible" pizzas.

>

>

> We don?t need a high street for exclusive needs of

> foodies. People need shops they can use, they also

> need affordable options. If we didn?t already have

> at least a dozen pizzerias within spitting

> distance I would of course be very happy for said

> genre of gastronomic delights to open locally, but

> that isn?t the case.

>

> A restaurant wouldn?t be my first choice, but if

> that?s all that we are to get then some diversity

> would be nice. A decent Morrocan or Mexican

> wouldn?t be as expensive as you suggest. They?re

> often way healthier and you get more for your

> money than you do at a pizza joint.

>

> Louisa.

Agree I'd love a good Moroccan restaurant !

[ed_pete]

Loutwo Wrote:

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> It seems our local historic ties with

> Indian/Bangladeshi eateries is slowly coming to an

> end. A heritage going back over 40 years now. If

> we continue to lose these cherished stalwarts of

> LL it will be the beginning of the end.

"Historic ties", "Heritage", "Cherished stalwarts"....Wow !

You been on the vino again ? Keep up the hyperbole though, it's brightened the end of a pretty crap week.

[Asset]

LL has: a butchers, fishmongers, cheese emporium (2), small supermarkets, Hardware stores, plant shop, greengrocers (several), shoe shops, clothes shops, haberdashery (!), plus restaurants, cafes, bars blah blah blah - what other 'useful' shops do we need...?

[nxjen]

?It seems our local historic ties with Indian/Bangladeshi eateries is slowly coming to an end. A heritage going back over 40 years now. If we continue to lose these cherished stalwarts of LL it will be the beginning of the end.?

Unnecessarily alarmist! Lordship Lane has four Indian/Bangladeshi restaurants, together with two in Grove Vale, one on East Dulwich Road and the takeaway down by The Plough. Since I moved here, new restaurants Tandoori Nights and Memsaab (and its previous incarnations) have opened. True we?ve lost Curry Cabin but Jaflong hasn?t closed just moved a short way away. Should we lose more, there are many factors to consider including the upcoming generations? desire to to work in other areas than these traditional South Asian businesses.

[savvygirl]

The high street shops are dying because lots of people shop online or in supermarkets. I have great admiration for those shops that survive, for example SMBS and The Cheese Block. As for what will replace Jaflong, it may be stipulated in the Lease that it has to be an eatery of some kind otherwise a change of use is required.

It's hard to think what could take it's place as we have our fair share of cake shops, coffee shops, bakeries, garden shops and pharmacies. A nice hat shop maybe! (I say this tongue in cheek), or shoe shop, although we had one which didn't survive. Any suggestions?

[BrandNewGuy]

Robert Carder (formerly John Bennett) is a good shoe shop on Lordship Lane. Not sure two shoe shops would thrive.