East Dulwich Independent Business Association (EDIBA)

[Lowlander]

Southwark Council...let's be charitable, there is an element of transparency and accountability with them. You may not agree with them (90% of the time I don't), but there you go. And before I'm accused, the only relationship I have with them is as a council tax payer.

Now, EDIBA. They're responsible for the posters up and down LL. I've only asked two shop owners, and they had never heard of EDIBA. They just agreed to put posters up for someone.

EDIBA are referenced as a respondee to their CPZ consultation.

Next - the validity of the facts has now been debated on my other thread to death with no agreement.

Who is EDIBA? There's no contact. Not even an anonymous email address or even PO Box. They're more secret than the Masons.

Or are ED residents happy for completely anonymous organisations to campaign on their behalf?

[LurkyMcLurker]

I reckon this is a case for Mulder and Scully.

[TheArtfulDogger]

In answer to your question

I am happy for the traders to be part of the overall response to the CPZ

However I find it sinister that you seem to have a vendetta and that you are also anonymous

Who are you, what's your email, how do we contact you, what's your address

It's no good saying at the traders are hiding if you do the same 🤔

[Lowlander]

TheArtfulDogger Wrote:

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> In answer to your question

>

> I am happy for the traders to be part of the

> overall response to the CPZ

>

> However I find it sinister that you seem to have a

> vendetta and that you are also anonymous

>

> Who are you, what's your email, how do we contact

> you, what's your address

>

> It's no good saying at the traders are hiding if

> you do the same 🤔

PM me, all will be revealed!

[dbboy]

Why start another new thread on the subject you started your previous thread on? Makes no sense, and actually gives the impression that, well, you seem obsessed with this topic, let it rest man. Have you considered that the posters may have been produced for and by a group rather than an individual?

If you had a business that was threatened you'd surely do something to raise awareness and protect your livelihood, wouldn't you?

[Abe_froeman]

I would guess that they are an association comprised of independent businesses in East Dulwich.

They are not campaigning on behalf of anyone except for the members of that association.

They are not funded by compulsory taxation threat of imprisonment and so to compare them to the council is absurd.

[El Presidente]

Lowlander Wrote:

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> Southwark Council...let's be charitable, there is

> an element of transparency and accountability with

> them. You may not agree with them (90% of the

> time I don't), but there you go. And before I'm

> accused, the only relationship I have with them is

> as a council tax payer.

>

> Now, EDIBA. They're responsible for the posters

> up and down LL. I've only asked two shop owners,

> and they had never heard of EDIBA. They just

> agreed to put posters up for someone.

>

> EDIBA are referenced as a respondee to their CPZ

> consultation.

>

> Next - the validity of the facts has now been

> debated on my other thread to death with no

> agreement.

>

> Who is EDIBA? There's no contact. Not even an

> anonymous email address or even PO Box. They're

> more secret than the Masons.

>

> Or are ED residents happy for completely anonymous

> organisations to campaign on their behalf?

Get a life.

[edcam]

No need for another tiresome thread on this subject.

[alice]

Nobody wants the CPZ.

Elaborate arguments only serve to muddle and mystify.

[Hemingway]

This, your second thread, is moving from bizzarre to sinister. You clearly have a very tedious axe to grind. Maybe it's you who should be open or more transparent? If not, it's just somemone unknown on the internet trying to undermine local businesses and the results of the consultation because presumably you don't like the consensus

[rorsome]

alice Wrote:

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> Nobody wants the CPZ.

>

> Elaborate arguments only serve to muddle and

> mystify.

25% of those who responded supported the CPZ.

Blanket generalisations also serve to muddle and mystify.

[EDPineapple]

Reads to me like your original thread didn't go the way you wanted it to, and so you've started another.

The posters certainly appear to speak on behalf of more people than you do.

[rollflick]

One of the EDIBA spokespeople at last Saturday's meeting mentioned they had heard the concerns of residents who wanted a CPZ and EDIBA were suggesting alternative arrangements.

Does anyone know what those are or how we can find out about them?

[Penguin68]

Does anyone know what those are or how we can find out about them?

For a short period last week or so the people who manage the car park for Sainsbury's Dog Kennel Hill were advertising weekly and monthly paid parking - presumably a capacity sponge deal for weekdays when the far end of the car park is normally virtually empty (give or take a batch of film set lorries currently there). Maybe these guys saw a market emerging if CPZs really hit commuters - either through or actually commuting to ED.

Southwark sees the problems as any cars (and driving up their revenue streams) - we in ED see the problem (in so far as any do - presumably those asking for a CPZ) - as over-parking. Proper local car parking might address this. Of course, the council will be against this, as it doesn't play into their agenda, but only into their residents' (and we know how much they care about us in Tooley St.).

[Lowlander]

Well this thread was not supposed to be about the CPZ but some people can't help themselves. To reiterate, I don't care about the CPZ and wouldn't vote either way on it.

I would like to politely contact EDIBA about something. A one line email. They can either respond, or ignore me. I'm not going to waste my time chasing them.

I've contacted Southwark council on many occasion; they humour me and provide me with info.

Instead I've been drawn into some weird Little Britain episode here, only without the humour.

EDIBA are like a cult; everyone draws around them and denies their existence, yet at the same time promotes them.

Anyone who dares to try and ask a simple question is shot down in an amateur hail of crappy insults. It's beyond weird. It's beyond far out. It's nuts.

[dbboy]

sorry, did I miss something, was it not you who was on a "witch hunt" trying to find out who EDIBA are? or am in a timewarp factor 10?

[Sally Eva]

write to your councillor, copy to Richard Livingstone, complaining that the council is re-publishing and may be taking notice of the views of an organisation which appears to have no substance ie no name/address/email/twitter etc.

I think they must have given more detail to the council otherwise they could not have received any opinion from them ie the opinions of this group must have been sent by email or by post. If by email then there will be an email address, if by post then I would assume some sort of signature and address and phone no.

However, if the council persists without explanation (they might say that given the level of confrontation and hostility on this issue the shopkeepers who comprise it fear a boycott if their names are published) then I would start to use the council's complaints procedure which rapidly escalates to the Local Government Ombudsman.

[alice]

A boycott? SE! now that idea is weird. Ridiculous.

You actually think that?

[Sally Eva]

there must be a reason why the people behind this are not disclosing their names. This thread doesn't reach everyone in ED (or even probably a high proportion) but no one is coming forward to say "it's me/us".

They are well-defended but not by people with names.

The posters are being put up in shops but the owners of the shops disclaim all knowledge of whose they are. That seems weird to me but shop-keepers want all their customers and 25% voted for a CPZ.

that's one reason I thought of -- it could be wrong -- I couldn't think of another but I expect others can.

[Maybaby]

I think Lowlander wrote that only 2 shopkeepers were asked...is that really enough to conclude that this 'cult' is being protected???

[Penguin68]

and 25% voted for a CPZ.

Actually the best that can be said of any of the CPZ poll results is that ''x%' of residents of specific streets who expressed a preference expressed a preference for 'y' in their street'. That is all.

So most of the LL shops could be pretty relaxed about 'offending' customers since I guess (1) most of their customers do not come from streets polled at all and (2) the actual numbers of those who did express a pro CPZ view about their own street would not impact their trade in the slightest, and might anyway be relaxed about those in streets nowhere near theirs with opposing views.

We (those against CPZ introduction) wanted it to be an ED wide poll, with one result for the collective - but the council has chosen to cherry pick the few pockets of support they can muster.

And to attack a group of shopkeepers because they fail to provide full information about themselves on the web? Let's just assume their members (or sympathizers) are those displaying their publicity, shall we? If you're that interested, walk up and down LL and collect the names and addresses yourself.

[Maybaby]

Penguin68 Wrote:

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Let's just assume their members (or

> sympathizers) are those displaying their

> publicity, shall we? If you're that interested,

> walk up and down LL and collect the names and

> addresses yourself.

I was going to suggest that. Two shops aren't enough; maybe if 6+ shopkeepers had no idea, then Lowlander would have a point. It is also possible that a young person, unrelated to the group, put the posters up with permission.

[Maybaby]

Lowlander, do you a picture of the posters? I don't recall you attaching one in your other thread.

[Lowlander]

I don?t have photo. I happen to know two ship owners quite well, both have posters up but neither has heard of EDIBA but I?m never going to get around asking more in the foreseeable future.

[TheArtfulDogger]

Lowlander Wrote:

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> I don?t have photo. I happen to know two ship

> owners quite well, both have posters up but

> neither has heard of EDIBA but I?m never going to

> get around asking more in the foreseeable future.

It's no good talking to pirates LowLander, shop keepers are better then ship owners

Arrrggghhhhh, pieces of CPZ eight Jim Lad