Mediumship

[fish]

Gordon Smith and John Edwards seem to demonstrate the most exceptional communication skills with the 'other side' and the

clarification, detail and evidence that they pass on (exuse the pun) is awesome. Can we really make contact with those who have died? Is there life after death? What do you think?

[PeckhamRose]

I did a psychic course years ago, and found my abilities to "read" people and pick up what they wanted me to tell them was uncanny. This skill can be used and abused and has done so throughout the ages.

I saw a ghost, when I was a little girl in a boarding school. 20 years later the lady who was on night duty that night, who I had woken up when I started screaming, showed me some pictures and I identified the little boy ghost I had seen and she told me that little boy had died in my dormitory two years previous.

Now, just because I have stated those facts, does not mean there is life after death.

Before we had science people created Gods to explain thunder and rainbows.

Science came along and explained them but we still believe in gods.

I do not understand why we have religion.

Oh wait, yes I do - it is so that we can be controlled by those who profess to be in charge of those religions....

Anyway, I think that one day science will explain my ghost story.

Already science can recreate the "white light" people on the verge of death claim they see (and I can't remember the details), so it's just a matter of time when so much else will be explained.

The danger in all this is the creationists!

No, I do not "believe" in religion or Gods or anything else human beings made up.

We are all we have. And when we die we are as meat, just like the animals many of us eat are.

(Derren Brown obviously is God. Well anyway I'd fall to his feet the sweet little minx.)

Hey, HAPPY CHRISTMAS!!

ahahaahahahaahahaha

[PeckhamRose]

Wow, I was expecting a long list of contributors to this one!

[lozzyloz]

Is ... there ... anybody ... there? (in hushed spooky voice)

[Peckhamgatecrasher]

Knock three times on the ceiling if you want me (oh sorry, wrong thread)

[Keef]

*whispers*

I see dead people.

[char1ie]

We are a small part of DNA's ongoing existance. DNA has been shifting and changing its own code for tens of millions of years. The dinosuars, the beetles, the birds, the humans, are all part of DNA's incredible ability to adapt itself to differences in environment. We all die but DNA continues to reproduce. There is always life after death, but not for us, only for DNA.

Merry Christmas!

Charlie

[Jah Lush]

That makes sense to me Charlie. The spirits are in the DNA or vice-versa.

[PeckhamRose]

The spirits are in the DNA?

DNA is a code.

Is code code or is code a "medium" with spirits in?

No, not drunk too many spirits.

DNA needs a medium (excuse the confusing use of words) or there is no point in DNA.

Thus it is illogical to think of DNA hosting spirits. If they're dead there is no point in them in living DNA.

Where you say, Charlie, there is always life after death, can you explain that - how do you know, what logic are you basing the assumption on, what scientific evidence?

It has been suggested that if the earth has been in existence for the equivalent of 24 hours, humans have been in existence for the equivalent of the last minute. What IS the point of life after death!

Now, what did Santa get you all?

[char1ie]

The code lives. The code will always live. There is life in code. There will always be life in code. DNA is life. Life is DNA. There is no such thing as a spirit.

A fireproof balaclava.

Charlie

[Peckhamgatecrasher]

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[char1ie]

http://www.infovisual.info/05/img_en/071%20Semaphore%20(marine%20alphabet%202).jpg

[PeckhamRose]

I don't think you're taking this seriously....

I wanted to read people's points of view about all this.

Yah boo

[char1ie]

Apologies PeckhamRose I shouldn't mock. I don't believe there is anything after we die. Mediums, spirits and ghosts are all human inventions, some pure invention and some created by the subconscious during times of difficulty and stress. It's great that people believe in these things and I used to love doing Ouija boards and the like in the old wooden gym at school.

My point about the DNA was designed to illustrate that our part in nature is so minor that the when you look at the big picture logic dictates that the spirit world or whatever you want to call it cannot logically exist.

Things either exist and you know about them or they don't. If something exists then it is a something that you can interact with or comprehend or touch or witness. Things that don't exist just don't exist. There is no halfway between the two - spirits, god, ghosts, etc etc.

Charlie

[SeanMacGabhann]

Faith-based conversations have happened on here before and unfortunately it usually comes down to believers being upset with non-believers

I'm with Char1ie on this one (big surprise I'm sure) but whilst I understand people's desire for something "bigger", wanting something doesn't make it so

[LostThePlot]

char1ie Wrote:

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> Apologies PeckhamRose I shouldn't mock. I don't

> believe there is anything after we die.

> My point about the DNA was designed to illustrate

> that our part in nature is so minor that the when

> you look at the big picture logic dictates that

> the spirit world or whatever you want to call it

> cannot logically exist.

While I don't believe in a "god" I do belive in spirits as I have experienced them. But, the point of my reply is this.

Evolution...we all know it takes a long time, but what hands down the "knowledge" that (for example) a opposable thumb is useful? Is this passed in the DNA?, and if you spot something is useful, thumbs or walking upright then why the hell does it take so long?

Appreciate these are very basic questions, but only go evolution at CSE grade 4...

[PeckhamRose]

Yes, it's evolution. Darwin worked that out. Breeding. The best most useful mating with the best most useful (with useful opposable thumbs, strongest arms, best eyesight etc etc)

Tho why our appendixes (appendices?) still exist I am not sure but maybe in another 3,000 years they won't.

You only have to look at documentaries about penguins in the arctic or antarctic or wherever the hell it is they hang out to know there CAN'T be a God. I mean, WHY? Hahahahahahaha

LostThePlot tell us about your experience of spirits. Would be interesting to read.

[char1ie]

Faith is a challenging debate. I went to a Quaker school. Quakers have a nice take on god that I approve of. They believe that god is inherent in you and that if you want to talk to god then you don't need a church, you just need to sit quietly and talk to him, or in effect, talk to yourself.

So when you have a moral decision or a crisis, sit and think it over. Talk to your god. This approach also means that you only have yourself to blame for things. You make your own choices and you live with the consequences. You are an existential being and nothing is guiding you, no fate, no external god, no heavens. Good luck in the big bad world, you'll need it.

Charlie

[Keef]

With regards to psychic powers / ghosts, back at uni, my then girlfriend was convinced she'd seen a ghost in her room in halls on more than one occasion. I, funnily enough, was always sleeping at these times, and never saw anything at all.

What I would say is that a) she wasn't the only girl in that hall to claim this, and her room along with 2 others were excorsised by the priest. b) she wasn't the type to just make things up, well not this sort of thing anyway, and she did seem genuinely scared when she woke me up just in time to see nothing.

There was this weird looking spooky tree outside her window, and personally I think it was just casting unusual shadows in to the room :-S

[PeckhamRose]

By the way who ARE Gordon Smith and John Edwards?

[fish]

One is a Scottish medium, known as the Psychic Barber and the other is an American medium, as seen on Living TV.

[Peckhamgatecrasher]

I guess an American medium is equivalent to our extra large?

[fish]

Peckhamgatecrasher Wrote:

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> I guess an American medium is equivalent to our

> extra large?

>:D<

[shaman]

I work in the world of spirits hence name however I discourage trying to contact the dead amoung my clients since I feel that its stops both the living and the dead moving on. I have seen many ghosts and watched them move objects etc, but am know for my sceptism and wil only find supernatural explaination after investigating all other answers. Leave the dead alone is my answer and I find these mediumistic sideshows dreadful.

[LizzygotDizzy]

I've watched those programmes where they go on ghost hunts, I think they scare eachother and freak eachother out more than anything else! a slight case of mass hysteria! Tis quite amusing, but they never do seem to get any hard evidence on the show well I have only seen one or two so who am I to question. Spiritialist churches I have frequented a few times, and have seen many a so called "medium" mess up big time on the platform and also severely fish for clues, but I have to be honest and say that I have seen a few very very good ones who have been spot on without being fed information, but I would never go to a medium myself for a reading, though I do do my own cards once in a while just for the fun of it and just to see if there is anything I need to know, but I do take it all with a pinch of salt, I would never mess with the occult though or ouija boards just downright dangerous and irresponsible. I think mediums work on the basis of who wants to come through to speak or pass on a message as opposed to being dragged from wherever they are, and if they do not wish to come forth, then they do not and go about their own business and are not forced as such whereas seances call upon specific spirits to come through, I do not agree with that part of it and they should be left alone, but if old uncle Ernie wants to come through and tell me where the blazes he hid his Will then who am I to argue, ha X