Brown bin collection - Council starting to charge?

[Rockets]

I don't know if anyone else had the "Your Services are Changing" leaflet that dropped through the door this morning detailing the new collection process but it is telling that on the opening page as part of the Why Is it Changing section is opens with....

"Most people in the borough do not have gardens...By asking for a small contribution from those who want to continue having their garden waste collected we can protect the essential services we deliver across the borough....."

It is so obviously a tax on those the council think can afford it but more worryingly this sets a very dangerous precedent as one wonders whether it then allows people who don't use those all of the essential services to claim they shouldn't be paying for them.

[RichH]

Here's a scan (3 separate images attached) of the leaflet for anyone who hasn't received it yet. Got mine this morning.

[Mystic Mog]

Just got mine, trying to sign up is a joke!!!!!!

[snoopy17]

The sticker looks like it has your name and address on it. I don't like the idea of that not when we have people searching in bins.

[mancity68]

Me neither. It's hard to tell from the image though. Does anyone know if it's name as well as address or just address?

[snoopy17]

Nice to know the bin men are deliberately not emptying my bin, just seen the bin man put all the steets bin in position to be emptied, seem to have a problem with me personally, but has no problem emptying my neighbours brown bin which was full of BLACK PLASTIC BAGS. So why the hell would I waste my time paying for a service when they pick and choose when they empty my bin.

I'm fuming about this

So you can now put household rubbish in black bags in the brown bin, or is it my wonderful neighbour of the year can do what it likes and everyone bows down to it cause it's no good scum with no morals. But if I put any old rubbish in the brown bin bin men would leave it full up just like they do when I have the correct rubbish in the brown bin. I had FOOD waste in brown bin, bin man looks in bin and refuses to empty it. Bin man sees neighbours bin with overflowing household rubbish, and he doesn't bat an eyelid and emptys it.

This seems personal to me and I'm sick of if

[mancity68]

Had missed this report. Can't see how the new arrangements are going to help reduce the problem bearing in mind this was going on whilst most properties had garden waste disposal included in their council tax! https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/high-numbers-of-london-residents-illegally-dumping-garden-waste-a4138031.html

[brewski]

I have no problem with them charging, the fee is very small. But what is nuts is that they will provide a 4th bin that can be knocked over by foxes and have to make another collection when it all gets composted in the same place anyway. To register for the service you have to order another garden bin when we already have one. All these extra costs go way beyond the ?25 they are charging. It?s nuts. Has anyone made sense of this?

[trinidad]

Has anyone actually made a payment regarding this scheme?

Also, if i pay say in december, do i still get charge ?25.00, or a sliding scale cheaper? Lastly, what happons if you share a bin with a neighbour?

[goldilocks]

I suspect the charge is likely to be a flat fee at any point in the year. Administratively anything else would be difficult. They are clear there are no refunds so see it as a pure payment deposit rather than a per month scheme.

Payments are now live online and can be made. I paid mine today.

[RichH]

I've made my payment too.

The web site is badly worded. It initially suggests that your ?25 includes delivery of another brown bin but, later on, there are check boxes for both the large bin and the smaller food waste bin which you can tick to say you don't want these if you already have them. Mine were set to "No" by default.

Now I'm just waiting for the stickers to arrive in the post.

[snoopy17]

Does anyone know if you can pay for this service in cash in Peckham library? I haven't got the internet which means I never use my debit card online.

[intexasatthe moment]

"To register for the service you have to order another garden bin when we already have one."

I thought you kept the existing large brown bin and applied a sticker to it .Why would you need a new one ?

Fed up about having to have a new bin for food .

[Gingergossip]

taxation on cultivation, shameful.

Our gardens are an eccologial haven for wild life and a sponge for rainwater that would otherwise be filling the drains to bursting point. Gardens are also great at scrubbing co2 from the atmosphere.

Southwark should be paying us for creating green space.

Yes your sevcies are changing from a bit crap to utter crap.

[Rosetta]

How does this stop all and sundry from using your own brown stickered bin?

[singalto]

Rosetta, I have wondered that too. And why food waste can?t go in the garden bin is a total Mystery! I have now paid for the brown bin collection and have had to order a big food caddy as,until now, I have put anything that doesn?t go in the compost heap in the brown bin! Madness...

[mynamehere]

singalto Wrote:

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Ditto

> Rosetta, I have wondered that too. And why food

> waste can?t go in the garden bin is a total

> Mystery! I have now paid for the brown bin

> collection and have had to order a big food caddy

> as,until now, I have put anything that doesn?t go

> in the compost heap in the brown bin! Madness...

[Rosetta]

singalto Wrote:

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> Rosetta, I have wondered that too. And why food

> waste can?t go in the garden bin is a total

> Mystery! I have now paid for the brown bin

> collection and have had to order a big food caddy

> as,until now, I have put anything that doesn?t go

> in the compost heap in the brown bin! Madness...

Can?t believe I am the first person to ask this question. It?s been bothering me for a while. I lived in a different street for a few years and the neighbour?s gardener used to dump all her garden cutting into my bin when hers was full, without asking me.

[spider69]

You have not been the first person to have asked this question.Re: Brown bin collection - Council starting to charge?

Posted by sally buying May 10, 06:24PM

"I am sure this has been asked before, why has the garden waste and food waste now been separated into 2 items requiring collection, 3 if you include brown bags.

Surely they all end up in the same compost heap just like a compost heap in ones garden.

Apart from screwing money from residents did the old system not work?

How many vehicles will be used by Southwark to collect all this?"

[nxjen]

There are many weeks, particularly in winter, when there is no garden waste to go into the large brown bin. When the green bags containing food waste are put in the otherwise empty large brown bins, it means the guys collecting the waste have to dive in to fish out the green bags, a most unpleasant and extremely inefficient way of collecting the food waste. It is far easier to empty the smaller outdoor brown caddies.

[Rosetta]

spider69 Wrote:

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> You have not been the first person to have asked

> this question.Re: Brown bin collection - Council

> starting to charge?

>

>

> Posted by sally buying May 10, 06:24PM

>

> "I am sure this has been asked before, why has the

> garden waste and food waste now been separated

> into 2 items requiring collection, 3 if you

> include brown bags.

>

> Surely they all end up in the same compost heap

> just like a compost heap in ones garden.

>

> Apart from screwing money from residents did the

> old system not work?

>

> How many vehicles will be used by Southwark to

> collect all this?"

I?m the first to ask how to stop other people from using a stickered bin that isn't in their garden.

[Penguin68]

I?m the first to ask how to stop other people from using a stickered bin that isn't in their garden.

But not, I'm guessing the first to think it. Or actually to consider the commercial opportunities of 'letting' your bin to third parties. If it's already full of 'paid for' waste from neighbours there will be no room for fly-tipping!

[first mate]

This also occurred to me!

[tomskip]

Perhaps we should ask our neighbours in Lewisham how they manage it. A friend of mine in Catford says she pays "about ?70" for garden waste collection (she couldn't remember the exact figure). I'll ask what she does about naughty people using her bin.

[Rosetta]

Penguin68 Wrote:

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> I?m the first to ask how to stop other people from

> using a stickered bin that isn't in their garden.

>

> But not, I'm guessing the first to think it. Or

> actually to consider the commercial opportunities

> of 'letting' your bin to third parties. If it's

> already full of 'paid for' waste from neighbours

> there will be no room for fly-tipping!

If someone doesn?t want to pay the annual fee then they aren?t likely to pay anyone else to use their bin. And what about the large amounts of fallen leaves that goes on for weeks in the autumn? If the streets were swept once a week then that wouldn?t be a problem. One neighbour sweeps all the leaves into the road, if the kerb, despite having a brown bin.