Too, to or two?? It isn't that hard!

[maxxi]

Annette Curtain Wrote:

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> Say what you see.

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> NETTE:-S

KNICKERS! (I can see through ANYTHING). Also feels delightfully 70s.

Also - "Oi, mate! Knickers to you and your lower second degree!"

[AaronCarter]

Definitely, this is something that need to be discuss. Anyway, I still cannot get the right point. Big thank you, will come back soon.

[Brendan]

She said which was included if you haven?t anyway. Much catastrophe in beguilement for Inverness sentience summer events. Perhaps yes.

[Annette Curtain]

computedshorty Wrote:

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> coold it bee writed by mi tooday sown at nown

> o/clok

> mum sed lern you vowals and you wownt hav two wory

> obowt you bows

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> cent via a computer.

http://i3.squidoocdn.com/resize/squidoo_images/250/draft_lens12187611module110718271photo_1291415479Officer-Crabtree.jpg

"I was pissing by the door, when I heard two shats. You are holding in your hand a smoking goon; you are clearly the guilty potty."

[Annette Curtain]

maxxi Wrote:

> KNICKERS! (I can see through ANYTHING). Also feels

> delightfully 70s.

>

> Also - "Oi, mate! Knickers to you and your lower

> second degree!"

I know maxxi

I too can see a Tanga.

I'd love to see/hear Desmond Tutu say that.

Lenny Henry would bow at his dress/cassock/frock.

(more 80's though, no?)

NETTE:-S

[Ridgley]

H said

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People get confused about dyslexia (unwitting pun) - it's not about spelling problems, and those spelling problems which are created are usually quite specific, not general grammatical rules.

True dyslexia is much broader than simply confusing or transposing letters, for example mistaking ?b? and ?d.".

In general, symptoms of DRD may include:

- Difficulty determining the meaning (idea content) of a simple sentence

- Difficulty learning to recognize written words

- Difficulty rhyming

Bad spellers to be claiming dyslexia is as rough on the real sufferers as fat people claiming to have a low metabolism when they wolf 4,000 calories a day.

I have dyslexia and it is a day to day challenge for me.

[maxxi]

Ridgley Wrote:

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> H said

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> True dyslexia is much broader than simply confusing or transposing letters, for example mistaking ?b? and ?d.".

>

> In general, symptoms of DRD may include:

Keeping people waiting for ages for you to come back...?

[Huguenot]

I'm totally sympathetic with dyslexia, my operations manager was dyslexic. Not great for man whose job was numbers, but then he was also a savant with web systems for some reason.

What I'm not sympathetic with is people who claim to be dyslexic in effort to claim victim status when really all they're suffering from is a typo, or absent mindedness, lack of attention, indifference or just plain laziness.

It's impossible to prove if someone is dyslexic or not from reading a forum, but there seem to be a few on here claiming to be dyslexic who exhibit none of the other traits of dyslexia but shoddy spelling, and hold some unattractive opinions they're trying to deflect attention from... ;-)

[Undisputedtruth]

Many highly intelligent people have suffered from Dyslexia.

[Peckhamgatecrasher]

Are they Left Wing?

[Undisputedtruth]

No, the list surprisingly included Winston Churchill and Michael Heseltine.

[Annette Curtain]

Oh i've heard it all now. H is a Dyslexia buster.

*adds ironic wink*

;-)

Ridgley, try this.

[El Pibe]

Can i add "Irregardless" to the list?

[DulwichFox]

I too think that many people find it difficult to count to two

You Two Too ?

Fox

[annabel42]

Compared to instead of compared with.

[Otta]

Can you borrow me a pound.

[Brendan]

No!

Try and instead of try to anonys me.

Problem is everybloodlyone does this including me. So I suppose through sheer forces of consensus try and is supposedly correct.

Although 34 years of experience have taught me that I?m normally correct about everything. Well near as makes no difference anyway. So consensus can suck eggs.

It is a relatively small annoyance though so I?m going to try not to notice it.*

*Not, ?try not and notice it?**

**Pillocks

[El Pibe]

Mr World Wide Words comes to the rescue

Apparently it just winds up colonial types

And if it's good enough for Jerome K Jerome.....so try and learn to love it.

http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-try1.htm

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Critics argue that try must be followed by an infinitive, that infinitives must be preceded by to, and that the expression must therefore be try to, not try and. Grammarians point out that the idea that the infinitive must be preceded by to is a mistaken belief based on a false analogy with Latin. It?s also the basis of all the erroneous and useless debate concerning the split infinitive.

[Brendan]

To try to do something is to attempt to do it. If you are so certain that you are going to do something why first state that you are only attempting it. Try infers the possibility of failure. You might get it wrong.

Well you might. Not me. I get things right first time.

But nevertheless this world is populated by the fallible who are bound to cock it up at least some of the time. Ergo I am not speaking Latin when I say try to just covering my bets.

Or maybe I am. Why would a Latin grammatical structure not be correct in this instance? It sometimes is. A Germanic structure would be more like, ?I will try for that to be achieved?

And stop being racist.

EDIT: What edit?

[david_carnell]

Ah the split infinitive. Now we are talking.

The classic example for those who have been living in the Gamma Quadrant is the Star Trek intro:

"To boldly go...." where the strict grammarians amongst you will now be screaming at your screens. It should of course be:

"To go boldly...." but that sounds clunky and devoid of romance and rhetorical grandeur. So we let it slide. Language evolves over years, decades, centuries and millenia. To try and preserve it in aspic is not only futile but unhelpful. But I've got to say that whenever I hear "centred around" I do want to throttle the culprit. So don't listen to me.

[El Pibe]

Try to would be grammatically correct latin but though English is influenced by latin, it isn't a romance language.

It's more a sort of germanic-latin hybrid with bits of brythonic thrown around (in the same way that Irish idiomatic expressions are often direct translations from the Gaelic into English, particularly their liberal use of the gerund).

The criticism (particularly around the split infintive) is aimed at victorian and edwardian educators' attempts to instill a latin grammatical discipline on English that sits rather ill at ease with common practice.

Thus 'try and' isn't an idiom that flies in the face of the rules more that the rules are denying the long established idiom of 'try and'.

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Try infers implies the possibility of failure. You might get it wrong.

Well you might. Not me. I get things right first time.

;-)

*edited for the 700 superfluous 'but's hanging around......and weird caps*

[Brendan]

El Pibe Wrote:

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> Try to would be grammatically correct latin but

> though English is influenced by latin, it isn't a

> romance language.

> It's more a sort of germanic-latin hybrid with

> bits of brythonic thrown around

Yeah I know this. You know I know this. I know you know I know this.

It?s not the rules I?m worried about, logic is what it flies in the face of. But your apparent acceptance of this illogical idiom happily implies approval of my idiomatic use of infer.

[El Pibe]

aye, that it be.

[maxxi]

Latin infinitives can't be split as they're are one word (usually? always?) but if an English Germanic-Latin mongrel CAN be split then surely it should wallow like a badly made B?arnaise (where the accent, although on the e is always on the aise).

El Pibe wrote:> aye, that it be.

"Yes, it is," not "That it be". And you don't have to talk in that stupid voice to me, I'm not a tourist!

[computedshorty]

Tohigh is a Chinaman.

He can't speak English, so if you change his name he will not recognise it if seen.