dds29 Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Environment alert! Southwark Council are allowing JC deCaux (huge street advertising company) to erect stand alone 3m x1m illuminated advertising panels for a term of 5 years on sites all over Southwark. Each one has to be presented on the council's website planning pages. Then everyone has an opportunity to check them out. I noticed one was proposed for the pavement opposite Nigel Rd, made it known to others in the area, we sent in objections and it was refused. However, another one proposed for outside 24 Peckham Rye,(Lane)next to Nigel Rd has now appeared. If you care about the environment, please go to Southwark Council website (Planning Register)and look at the proposal, ref. no. 11-AP-4185, or phone planning officer Amy Lester 02075255452 for details. If you agree with me that it's unnecessary, ugly and inappropriate for this site, please object! The consultation deadline is 11th February. Where might the next one be...?Correction: the proposed panel is in fact outside the Halifax Building Society at 24 Rye Lane. Where the council has recently improved the road and pavements. A panel there is still unnecessary, unattractive and in the way. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/21762-100-advertising-panels/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Betterat50m Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 What has it got to do with the environment? Genuine question. Are not Southwark obliged to act within environment perimeters as layed down by the Government? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/21762-100-advertising-panels/#findComment-519064 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Only me! Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 I do hope they don't advertise Pizza! ::o Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/21762-100-advertising-panels/#findComment-519066 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penguin68 Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 I think this is about aesthetic pollution, not physical pollution. The government doesn't have any taste, nor do they require local authorities to have any. [This is outwith planning issues covering listed or otherwise protected areas, where it is not so much an issue of taste as of fixed rules about preservation of an area's style, however tasteful or not it is.] Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/21762-100-advertising-panels/#findComment-519067 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cardiffgirl Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Unfortunately, when local authorties are having their budgets cut they have to go to other forms of money making. This will be bringing in money which they need. I'm not saying they should all be allowed, and location is everything, but personally I think an advertisment stand along Rye Lane (a commerical shopping street) is not a massive problem. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/21762-100-advertising-panels/#findComment-519071 Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterstorm1985 Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Cardiffgirl Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Unfortunately, when local authorties are having> their budgets cut they have to go to other forms> of money making. This will be bringing in money> which they need. I'm not saying they should all be> allowed, and location is everything, but> personally I think an advertisment stand along Rye> Lane (a commerical shopping street) is not a> massive problem.Putting one of these signs on the pavement immediately outside of a row of Georgian houses might be offensive to some (I'd be screaming) but on Rye Lane I'm hard pressed to see how they could bring down the tone. Something shiny and modern might actually suggest a potential for economic recovery. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/21762-100-advertising-panels/#findComment-519074 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kford Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 They're just 6-sheets, the size of posters on bus stops. They're already part of the urban landscape and have been for years. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/21762-100-advertising-panels/#findComment-519079 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loz Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 And if they bring in a decent amount of cash for the council without being too much of a blot on the landscape (which it sounds like it isn't), then I'm for it.TFL have been doing it for years on bus stops. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/21762-100-advertising-panels/#findComment-519101 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellenden1 Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 I think we can do without more advertising in our lives. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/21762-100-advertising-panels/#findComment-519152 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnL Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 It maybe a commercial shopping street to you, but it's home to me and the opWe work hard on what happens around us in Co-op house. Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Unfortunately, when local authorties are having> their budgets cut they have to go to other forms> of money making. This will be bringing in money> which they need. I'm not saying they should all be> allowed, and location is everything, but> personally I think an advertisment stand along Rye> Lane (a commerical shopping street) is not a> massive problem. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/21762-100-advertising-panels/#findComment-519179 Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Barber Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 From memory the 100 x9' advertising things will bring in collectively ?80,000 per annum.Othe forumites in the trade have stted to me that this represents a fraction of the income.So I object to them aesthetically but it also appears rubbish deal for Southwark. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/21762-100-advertising-panels/#findComment-519209 Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_carnell Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Agreed. Just because Rye Lane is less than aesthetically pleasing in places doesn't mean we should actively make it worse. We should be constantly looking for opportunities to improve aesthetics.There is far too much pointless street furniture in Britain's towns and cities, and certainly too much advertising relentlessly bombarding us.James - any ideas on how this can be tackled effectively beyond large amounts of cemtex? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/21762-100-advertising-panels/#findComment-519243 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cardiffgirl Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Yes - I understand Rye Lane for some is their home and of course you want to keep it nice. However, when determining whether an advertisment stand is acceptable you have to look at the character of the site as a whole. Rye Lane is a commercial street characterised by illuminated signs. It would be a difficult argument to say that the proposed signs are inappropriate to the charcater and appearance of the area?I imagine each proposal will be considered on its merit - and apologies for what may have seemed like a flippant comment but I personally do not think that the character of Rye Lane will be made worse for the installation of an advertisment sign. ?80,000 may not be much in the context of Southwark Council's budget as a whole, however, every little helps surely? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/21762-100-advertising-panels/#findComment-519295 Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_carnell Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 If you read English Heritage's report, you will see that Rye Lane has both historic and architectural merit.I would hope that, rather than continue to desecrate this street with yet more lumionous monstrosities advertising pointless geegaws that no one needs, the council would begin to look at restoring the Lane to its former glories.A journey of a 1000 miles begins by stopping these hideous neon disfigurements.Why does everything have to be so god damn ugly all the time? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/21762-100-advertising-panels/#findComment-519303 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 In all honesty, I don't particularly care about a few advertising boards going up. This is hardly an area of outstanding beauty. I'm more concerned by James' suggestion that the council failed to negotiate a good deal. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/21762-100-advertising-panels/#findComment-519313 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mynamehere Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 The proposed redevelopment of the Peckham Rye Station seems on the order of what transformed Herne Hill so full marks there. I'm not sure a few lit hoardings are going to make or break an area. Not getting a good deal... not having any idea how to research and negotiate professionally not knowing how to make timely linked up decisions that minimize waste and maximize output (I'm sure Southwark is not unique but we live here) this observation of the council appointments and decision making and decision makers (irregardless of party in power I'd hazard a quess) must change now. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/21762-100-advertising-panels/#findComment-519316 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loz Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Cardiffgirl Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> ?80,000 may not be much in the context of Southwark Council's budget as a whole, however,> every little helps surely?It would just about pay for the next dodgy CPZ consultation!!(sorry... couldn't help myself) Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/21762-100-advertising-panels/#findComment-519319 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dds29 Posted February 1, 2012 Author Share Posted February 1, 2012 It's not in Rye Lane. There is some confusion in the planning register too- It's called 'Peckham Rye.' Written on the wall above the parade of shops next to the White Horse pub and Nigel Rd. It's where the road opens out towards Rye Common, and has recently had extraneous street furniture removed from it, road improvements, and conservation area status conferred. We are trying to improve it, not extend the brash commerce of Rye Lane proper.Are we really becoming so immune to in your face advertising like this that we don't care if it's there or not, never mind where it's put? Aren't bus shelters and massive sides of buildings enough?I find the whole principle of these panels an affront.Correction: The different names plus an error on google maps (the photo is not of 24 Rye Lane) led to the assumption that the panel would be placed as described above; however, it will be in Rye Lane outside the Halifax Building Society. Where council money has improved pavements and roads recently.It would still be clutter, unnecessary, in the way and could be a screen as there is a cash dispenser there. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/21762-100-advertising-panels/#findComment-519354 Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_carnell Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 Agreed. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/21762-100-advertising-panels/#findComment-519880 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lishyloo Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 david_carnell Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Agreed.Peckham and Peckham rye are awfull places anyway. I'm sure if it was big posters offering parent and toddler coffee mornings there would be no obstruction by the typical easy Dulwich resident. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/21762-100-advertising-panels/#findComment-519971 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lishyloo Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 david_carnell Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Agreed.Peckham and Peckham rye are awfull places anyway. I'm sure if it was big posters offering parent and toddler coffee mornings there would be no obstruction by the typical easy Dulwich resident. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/21762-100-advertising-panels/#findComment-519972 Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowy Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 0/10 for a poor trolling attempt. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/21762-100-advertising-panels/#findComment-519980 Share on other sites More sharing options...
catma Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 Advertising board for pizzas on East Dulwich Road/signs for walls in Lordship lane bring howls of fury,whereas in Rye Lane/Peckham Rye it doesn't matter? After all it's only run down derelict old peckham. It does all sound a bit nimbyistic. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/21762-100-advertising-panels/#findComment-519986 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cella Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 The pizza advertising is in Peckham - SE15 postcode! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/21762-100-advertising-panels/#findComment-519991 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dulwichbloke Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 Papa Johns East Dulwich40 East Dulwich RoadEast DulwichGreater LondonSE22 9AXTelephone: 020 7732 2255Standard Opening times:This store is currently Open Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/21762-100-advertising-panels/#findComment-520044 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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