A dark day - The CPT (Lounged)

[herrd]

It doesn't stand to reason that everybody who lives near a pub and gets naffed off with the noise is an idiot/didn't see it coming/hates pubs/publicans. I lived next door but three to a very busy pub in Shoreditch for five years, and the constant pissed-up arguing, and daily tide of fag ends/urine (mostly from people I knew...) does get you down. That's not unreasonable. Landlords asking and then expecting drunks to be quiet, considerate, Plod-fearing citizens who whisper considerately after dark is a tough ask. Ask any honest landlord, and they'll tell you that a "please be considerate to neighbours when leaving" sign only tends to work if wedged in a drunk's kisser.

As for total sound-proofing, anything is possible, but it's pricy, and the law doesn't dictate catacomb-esque levels so landlords won't do it out of the kindness of their hearts. Why should they? They firefight complaints as and when they happen, as it's cheaper. It's bread and butter to them and the odd grumpy old sow won't result in any pub closures.

Soundproofing boozers

For me, the hardest thing to live with is the noise from punters, especially in the summer. Why? I could hear all my mates having a laugh every time I had my front room windows open, and found it impossible to stay in!:))

[Sue]

herrd Wrote:

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> the odd grumpy old sow won't result in any pub

> closures.

>

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Well it's resulted in restrictions to Jamie's license, which is likely to impact on his custom I would have thought.

It seems extremely unfair to me when so many people wrote in support of him, compared to the grumpy old sow in question who could only drum up the support of two or three others, after quite a protracted campaign apparently.

[Bloggsy08]

You can read some detail about the Hooper's Tooley Street music licence review session on the Ivanhoe Residents Assoc facebook - http://www.facebook.com/pages/Ivanhoe-Residents-Association/316393255069392.

The verdict is in - some time curtailment and new restriction on allowing people out to smoke in Malfort Road.

[Sue]

Bloggsy08 Wrote:

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> You can read some detail about the Hooper's Tooley

> Street music licence review session on the Ivanhoe

> Residents Assoc facebook -

> http://www.facebook.com/pages/Ivanhoe-Residents-As

> sociation/316393255069392.

>

> The verdict is in - some time curtailment and new

> restriction on allowing people out to smoke in

> Malfort Road.

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We know - it's already been detailed on this thread :)

[AndyS]

I've gotta say that if the number of people calling for it to be kept the same all drank in the pub, the new owners wouldn't be changing it at all. You can count the customers on one hand on most nights which is a shame because its a really good pub. Only thing I would say is that it is a bit blokey.

I live pretty close to the pub so it would be good if the new owners did announce what their plans were because keeping the neighbours in the dark wont help you getting them onside!

[Jah Lush]

Scaffolding has now gone up outside the CPT so I guess work is to start on the exterior first.

[Sue]

I saw somebody up a step ladder inside the other day - in the "new" bit.

[Otta]

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so your saying that the people who drank in there where scum?

Not unless I'm calling my dad, and sometimes myself scum, no.

[Carbonara]

Sow? Not nice.

The Hooper's ruling seems fair - in ye olden dayes there would have been no question of live or recorded music after 11pm, or people outside after that time, because we would all have been chased out by the cry of 'TimeGen'lmenPleeeeeeese' by that time. Tessa Jowell, gawd bless 'er.

[El Pibe]

I shall be bidding farewell to the Seepy Tea tonight. *sniffs* She'll be missed.

Long Live the Seepy Tea!

[Carbonara]

I'll drink to that!

[Jah Lush]

Make sure you take some snaps of the old dear won't you El Pibe.

[steveo]

Can the builders please take note that underneath the nasty tiles in the saloon bar gents, there are some rather nice ones?

[Jah Lush]

Found out a bit of what's happening to the CPT yesterday. It closing it's doors next Monday (Feb 13th) for the refurb and expects to open again on March 15th.

[El Pibe]

I probably found out lots of useful information on Friday, but sadly it all turned into a hazy blur that finished with my waking to kebab strewn bed.

I seem to recall that the new chap was jolly nice, happy to inflict my music on the punters and was in no particular rush to chase us all out at the end of the night which is always appreciated by everyone except my liver.

[thatboyonttelly]

If you still long for a decent quiz then there is no other place than The Herne on a Sunday from 7.00pm. It?s a cracker!

[tikkiuk]

The changing of Hoopers licence is totally fair and long overdue, and it now falls in line with that of other pubs in residential areas. There wasn't just one 'grumpy old sow' complaining about the pub it was pretty much the whole street and they had all tried to sort things out with Hoopers in person and got nowhere. It seems to me it was a much better sob story for Hoopers to blame one person and make it out to be 'one woman's grudge against the pub' as this would get more of their patrons to write in support.

[Sue]

tikkiuk Wrote:

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> The changing of Hoopers licence is totally fair

> and long overdue, and it now falls in line with

> that of other pubs in residential areas. There

> wasn't just one 'grumpy old sow' complaining about

> the pub it was pretty much the whole street and

> they had all tried to sort things out with Hoopers

> in person and got nowhere. It seems to me it was

> a much better sob story for Hoopers to blame one

> person and make it out to be 'one woman's grudge

> against the pub' as this would get more of their

> patrons to write in support.

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I suggest you get your facts right before you make a fool of yourself posting on here.

ETA: I am guessing from one of your other (few) posts on this forum that you are one of the very few people who complained:

http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/read.php?6,816899,820954#msg-820954

ETA: Have you actually read the letters of support for Hoopers? If not, can I suggest that you do, and then perhaps you can come on here and respond rationally to the points made in them (but you won't, will you?)

[Jeremy]

Most of the street supports the pub, and does not find it a nuisance in any way. However, the ruling does seem fair and appropriate for a residential area.

[WarrenPeace]

"Sue", your comments smack of vicious bullying. You are utterly wrong in your persistent targeted criticism of one person. But perhaps "liv[ing] round the corner [from the Actress]" gives you a special insight into noise from Hoopers?

[Administrator]

Please do not turn this thread into a slagging off match. Posts that get personal about individuals maybe removed to protect the individuals.

[MrsMc]

Point taken Administrator, but I think the bullying started a lot earlier on in this thread.

I am a close neighbour of the pub and know the people involved personally, including Jamie and the person being gleefully vilified on this forum (no, I'm not her). If I were, I would be devastated to see the woeful misrepresentation of events/and her character on this forum.

[Administrator]

Please report bullying posts, we cannot read every post on the forum and so rely on the help of the users to do the right thing.

[Sue]

WarrenPeace Wrote:

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> "Sue", your comments smack of vicious bullying.

> You are utterly wrong in your persistent targeted

> criticism of one person. But perhaps "liv round

> the corner " gives you a special insight into

> noise from Hoopers?

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Pardon?

What exactly in my comments "smack of vicious bullying"?

Where have I engaged in "persistently targetted criticism of one person"?

I would genuinely like to know.

I have read all the letters relating to the complaints about Hoopers, both those from the people (very few) complaining and those (many) from the people defending Hoopers - many of whom live in the same street as the original complainant.

I have also read the letters from the Met, the Southwark Noise Control team, and other interested parties.

All this took me some time.

As I said, I would like the people using this thread to moan about Hoopers to do the same, and then to respond in a rational manner to the points made by the people defending Hoopers.

Or does that "smack of vicious bullying" as well?

Some people's idea of bullying seems very odd to me. As admin says, if you think bullying is taking place then report it. If Admin agrees then they remove the post. Seems fair enough to me.

[herrd]

How can you "misrepresent somebody's character" when he/she isn't represented or identified anywhere on here or elsewhere? Likewise, where is the "vicious bullying"? How can you bully, "persistently target" or "gleefully vilify" somebody who isn't named/identified or even involved in this thread in any way?

I'm getting off this tedious thread, it's gone way too Rumpole of the Bailey. No, make that Hyacinth Bucket... Why don't you just all go to the CPT - remember what this thread was once about? - have a drink together, kiss and make up.>:D<