jimmyay Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 More on the Roma gangs stealing our heritage http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/283504/Foreign-gangs-in-metal-raids Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/21062-barbara-hepworth-sculpture-in-dulwich-park-missing/page/3/#findComment-509241 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianr Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 > More on the Roma gangs stealing our heritage> [www.express.co.uk]It's not more. It's the same stuff, from the same source, as was in the Mail article you advertised on the previous page. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/21062-barbara-hepworth-sculpture-in-dulwich-park-missing/page/3/#findComment-509244 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ibilly99 Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 Words fail me - we live in darkening times. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/21062-barbara-hepworth-sculpture-in-dulwich-park-missing/page/3/#findComment-509262 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Applespider Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 Senor Chevalier Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> There> is no way this got out without someone seeing> something - especially given the CCTV world we> live in.I was thinking about this earlier and the only CCTV that I can think of anywhere near the Park is the traffic camera at the Grove junction - and presumably the next one along the South Circular. There's none in the park (that I'm aware of) and since there are no lights either, you wouldn't have got much on a camera. I suppose you might have got some people scoping it out. With luck, there are enough cameras on the surrounding junctions that the police can look for suspicious vehicles and try tracking it but not going to hold my breath.For other witnesses, well, the South Circ isn't all that busy after about 9pm - I've cycled the stretch from the college to the Grove with no-one passing me so lots of time for a van to pull in at the gates, cut the bolts and go in without anyone noticing. Once they were in the park, they could take the time they needed. Count me in with those who hate mindless criminals wrecking our heritage for the sake of relatively small amounts of cash. And yes, they keep talking about doing something about scrap metal dealers; just get on and do something. At the moment, while I'm sure there are legit dealers, there are enough who know that questions won't be asked to make crimes like this worthwhile. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/21062-barbara-hepworth-sculpture-in-dulwich-park-missing/page/3/#findComment-509263 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twirly Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 I wonder what else the thieves are likely to target over the coming months, and what can be done to prevent the thefts? Some things such as cabling are easily replaceable though their theft causes inconvenience, others such as this statue are irreplaceable. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/21062-barbara-hepworth-sculpture-in-dulwich-park-missing/page/3/#findComment-509279 Share on other sites More sharing options...
citizenED Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 That first picture, Senor Chevalier, is something special - thanks. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/21062-barbara-hepworth-sculpture-in-dulwich-park-missing/page/3/#findComment-509296 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kf Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 It's very sad and such a horrible thing to happen. It's not everyday I see my Dad on the news and in the paper talking about it! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/21062-barbara-hepworth-sculpture-in-dulwich-park-missing/page/3/#findComment-509388 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senor Chevalier Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 Twirly - not sure what can be done to prevent more such thefts. Not quite the same, but my next door neighbour's motorbike was pinched last night from the front doorstep - heavy lock cut through. I didn't hear a thing. Can everyone be more vigilant and not hold back from asking people who they are and what they are doing when they see something suspicious please. And when you hear a car / house alarm in your street for goodness sake check it out. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/21062-barbara-hepworth-sculpture-in-dulwich-park-missing/page/3/#findComment-509488 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ibilly99 Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 The Guardian opines .... Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/21062-barbara-hepworth-sculpture-in-dulwich-park-missing/page/3/#findComment-509496 Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumpyoldman Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Ok if the insurance pays that will be ?500,000 if it was insured for replacement value.now go out and buy a new sculpture.Go to insurers and ask to have it covered. Problem. With increases of these types of theft and no security around it, it is not in an art gallery or anything< the possibility of it being stolen again is increased and therefore on that basis, the likelyhood must fall to being stolen in the next 10 years say.Therefore the cost to insure it would increase to 1in 10 which is a 10% rate, add on profit margin and say 35% cost to the insuranmce company ( they have to pay staff, bills and office space) then the rate increases from 10% to closer to 15% annual.In addition you then have to add IPT.Therefore the cost to insure the new statue would be ?500,000 *15% annually which would be ?75,000. This tyhen becomes prohibative to replace the statue. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/21062-barbara-hepworth-sculpture-in-dulwich-park-missing/page/3/#findComment-509528 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twirly Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Buy a marble one instead. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/21062-barbara-hepworth-sculpture-in-dulwich-park-missing/page/3/#findComment-509529 Share on other sites More sharing options...
savage Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Make the replacement sculpture out of a material that has no value as a commodity? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/21062-barbara-hepworth-sculpture-in-dulwich-park-missing/page/3/#findComment-509531 Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Pibe Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Broken Umbrellas?http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3411/3629515755_da4f2947a6.jpgChannel 4 umbrellas by LondonSLR, on Flickr Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/21062-barbara-hepworth-sculpture-in-dulwich-park-missing/page/3/#findComment-509534 Share on other sites More sharing options...
candj Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Paper cups? Kevin Osmond Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/21062-barbara-hepworth-sculpture-in-dulwich-park-missing/page/3/#findComment-509539 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penguin68 Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 A number of councils have considered, I believe, some have actually made resin casts of key metal street and park art, replacing what is on view with these scrap-valueless copies.This could certainly also be done with memorial plates - with the originals being kept more securely (but still allowing access to them).Non metallic casts certainly can't be used for power and communications cables, they have to be in the metal they are in for purely functional reasons, and that is probably also true of street manhole covers, but 'art' can be copied. Maybe the insurance for the Hepworth might be best used securing other vulnerable art and memorial work in Southwark. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/21062-barbara-hepworth-sculpture-in-dulwich-park-missing/page/3/#findComment-509562 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Penguin - that makes sense, but it's sad to think that it may come to this. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/21062-barbara-hepworth-sculpture-in-dulwich-park-missing/page/3/#findComment-509570 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the-e-dealer Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Savage - It was made of something that had little value - You cant predicts rises in value. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/21062-barbara-hepworth-sculpture-in-dulwich-park-missing/page/3/#findComment-509606 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilmos Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 There are hundreds of us, maybe thousands, who mourne the loss of this popular, pleasing sculpture.Dulwich Park will be the sadder for the loss of this treasure and isn't it a shame that we are slowly being drawn into a world where nothing is sacred. There is a class of people who have no culture, no sense of decency and no moral values. They are dragging us all down into their pathetic drab world which only has self destruction as an end. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/21062-barbara-hepworth-sculpture-in-dulwich-park-missing/page/3/#findComment-509652 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogcat Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 If the thieves are caught would Southwark swing for the cost of a gallows (pun intended)?Surely if we strung the bastards up it would act as a deterrent or does that sound a tad extreme?So glad I'm knocking on a bit because the world does seem to be disappearing down the lavatory! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/21062-barbara-hepworth-sculpture-in-dulwich-park-missing/page/3/#findComment-509669 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor Moore Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 Maybe stringing up is a tad excessive. But the reactions I saw to the violent removal of this beautiful piece are interesting. A huge number of gasps of disbelief, followed by a pained look for having lost something precious. Followed by expletives and real anger.As the criminals have proverbially bottled us all in the face, I think the least we can do is reinstate the stocks down in Dulwich Village (see the remains to the right of Dulwich Books) and when the perpetrators are found, on their way to clink we all get the chance to tip the contents of our new brown food waste mini-bins over their heads. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/21062-barbara-hepworth-sculpture-in-dulwich-park-missing/page/3/#findComment-509794 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 Trevor Moore Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> when the perpetrators are found, on their way to> clink we all get the chance to tip the contents of> our new brown food waste mini-bins over their> heads.xxxxxxxOr the contents of our toilets. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/21062-barbara-hepworth-sculpture-in-dulwich-park-missing/page/3/#findComment-509884 Share on other sites More sharing options...
i*Rate Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 Vilmos,I totally agree with you about those monstrous people in our world with no culture, no sense of decency and no moral values -- they're called bankers.Oh, and there's another group too, with a different name -- big tax dodgers.However, I do despise the people that stole this work as they have taken away a great piece of Art that was owned and loved by the community and could be enjoyed by anyone for free.There have been more revolting acts; for example the killing and maiming of the animals in the children's zoo at Crystal Palace Park some years ago - quite sickening.Regards, with respect. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/21062-barbara-hepworth-sculpture-in-dulwich-park-missing/page/3/#findComment-510114 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DulwichFox Posted December 25, 2011 Share Posted December 25, 2011 Not a problem.. Venus De Milo has no arms. Still worth a fortune. Fox. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/21062-barbara-hepworth-sculpture-in-dulwich-park-missing/page/3/#findComment-510160 Share on other sites More sharing options...
karter Posted December 26, 2011 Share Posted December 26, 2011 This crime sux, let's hope the cops catch these people. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/21062-barbara-hepworth-sculpture-in-dulwich-park-missing/page/3/#findComment-510223 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor Moore Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Dear Eliza DIf you have any photographs of the Hepworth sculpture, would you be willing to share them with Dulwich Park Friends, so that we can create an archive? We are in the process of upgrading our website and when it's ready (next couple of weeks) we will have a space especially for this.Regards,Trevor Moore, Chair of Dulwich Park Friends Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/21062-barbara-hepworth-sculpture-in-dulwich-park-missing/page/3/#findComment-510889 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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