Teddy Bear, Teddy Bear

[*Bob*]

Muttley Wrote:

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> Excuse my ignorance, but who was that boy Mohammed

> named after?

I think he was named after another Teddy Bear. That's what I heard anyway.

[snorky]

You can name you kids after MH as its a sign of respect - akin to latinos calling their Kids Jesus - you are not actually saying that yer kid is a prophet

naming a teddy after MH could be viewed ( in a suinty way by some ) to be attempting to create an effigy of a prophet for fetishment purposes and thats against the rules, cos its Idolatry and thats expressly forbidden

It gets complicated here, but its all to do with images or recreations of living things mocking rather than glorifying AL, cos hes made them and any attempt to copy his work is sort of koran copyright and a big sin ( depending on how you interpret it of course )

[Nero]

our government and Royal Family were browning nosing King Fahd of Saudi Arabia

In fact, the Queen et al were just doing as they were told. I am sure they are not that enamoured with the Saudi regime, nor with that of the Chinese etc. It's very unlikely the Queen would say 'I'm not going to shake that man's hand/break bread with him/put him up in the palace'. Nero

[Brendan]

Ladygooner Wrote:

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> I think a worse story than this is the woman in

> Saudi Arabia who was out in a car with someone she

> wasn't related to. They were attacked by a gang

> of men who raped both of them. The woman is now

> in prison awaiting 200 lashes for breaking the law

> by going out with her boyfriend.

But one has to be embracing of all cultures surely.

Even if they endorse the oppression of women and rape?

Well apparently yes, according to that lobotomising, barbiturate of an interpretation of modern liberalism that is so popular.

(Apologies for my causticity but growing up in Africa gives one a slightly jaded view point on these things.)

[Brendan]

I'll get off my soapbox now and write a limerick or summin while my blood preasure goes down.

[snorky]

IT depends on what subject is being discussed

If its got Gods backing, then you cant critisise

Example of belief held :

BNP = extreme views, but NO god given authority , thefore you can slag them off & gag them

Radical Islam ( or hard line Catholisism or US Born Again Christinaity ) = extreme views, but HAVE god Given permission to do it, so you should be carful not to offend

MY opinion ? - Let them all speak and debate in public if they want to hold such views and broadcast them, bu that might leave them exposed to some unfortunate questions that they will not be able to dodge

[Brendan]

People can think or believe what they like and be damned. It is when they hurt others by putting their beliefs into practice that I get angry.

Or use their beliefs as an excuse to indulge their own vile aggressive nature.

[lozzyloz]

IMO religion is just another word for hypocrisy.

Take the CofE for instance. Wants to be exempt from the law regarding discrimination of gays yet in the same breath they tell us only god can judge. The only religion that's ever made any sense to me is Budhism, partly because god b*ll*cks not included.

[Keef]

This documentary about this total psycho proves that even with God "on your side", you can be just as evil as any BNP member!

[mockney piers]

Any religion that professes to know right from wrong, while preaching intolerance and hatred, is just plain wrong. If they have a human written book as your source of divine rules, then tell me they ain't human rules. Add to that how much interpretation can change in a moment (blessed are the cheesemakers) leave alone in the course of a century or two (they don't refer to cheesemakers literally but makers of all dairy products), throw in some stuffy councils 500 years and 800 years and 1500 years after the facts, or learned interpretations 1400 years later, and well, you end up with nice teachers jailed for playing with teddy bears.

Regards Snorky's final point, I'm with you. All this inciting-hatred law stuff is counter-productive. You can't kill ideas by imprisoning the progenitors and preachers of those ideas. You have to allow open discourse else all you serve to do is create martyrs and glorify those ideas.

[Keef]

Agreed.

I was reading that thing about Fred Phelpes, and was surprised to hear about the good work he did as a lawer for black rights, and started to think where did it all go wrong, but then you read about why he was disbarred, and it becomes clear that the man is obviously a nasty nasty psycho!

I remember Louis Theroux getting a few minutes with him, and you could see the anger and hate in his eyes at being questioned!

[Brendan]

I?m fucking intolerant.

I?m intolerant of oppression, discrimination, exploitation and cruelty.

[Asset]

"If there is a God & he is indeed Good,then Im sure he is agreeing with Snorky on this organsied relion farce "

Surely you mean she

[Keef]

Just read this. Bloody hell, how could any remotely sane person from anywhere in the world think that this woman deserves to be shot for this teddy bear thing?!?

[cdonline]

Is the Teddy going to get away with impersonating Mohammed?

[snorky]

Its stone age isnt it .

Apart from the specific shooting bit, the sentiments are positively troglodytic.

but we have to rewpect it cos its a belief you see - god told them it was OK to do this

Anyone fancy Joining the Church of Everlasting Snorky ( ED branch ) ? - where we basically disregard all licencing, smoking & soft drug laws and get ripped to the gills every Friday nights with complete impunity - cos its our belief - God told us to do this as part of the weekly worship.

[Brendan]

Religion or culture is not a good enough excuse for cruelty to your fellow man.

[Keef]

Snorky where do I sign up?

[mockney piers]

cdonline Wrote:

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Is the Teddy going to get away with impersonating Mohammed?

Here you go cdonline.

[TillieTrotter]

F**king beyong F**king belief:( Do excuse my f**king language but its as Snorky said straight out of the Stone Age.

I too will sign up oh leader.

[Brendan]

Such language is unlike you Tillie!

I know exactly what you mean. I don?t know how to react to this. My first instinct is that it must be bigged up sensationalist bollocks on the part of the beeb.

I mean it can?t be true?. Surely?

[JesusCappuccino]

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[TillieTrotter]

I do apologise Bren, but I struggle with this one, I really do.:-S

[TillieTrotter]

I can see a Joker in the pack. Hiya Mr Cappuccino.

[JesusCappuccino]

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