Babies and prams in Pubs!

[ibilly99]

Bring back smoking in pubs - that would clear 'em out.

[steveo]

Pubs are for geezers and violence, slatterns and dope deals, fags, nags and Tottenham.

This is 1991 isn't it?

Dr. Who

[Loz]

ad2000 Wrote:

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> Yummy mummy is a slang term used in the United

> Kingdom to describe young, attractive and wealthy

> mothers.

>

> I'm in a bit of a pickle - I am old, ugly and

> poor. Can I still take me kids to the boozer?

Actually, 'yummy mummy' is a term used by the mothers themselves to try and give their egos a boost. Everyone else uses MILF, and usually not about the ones that try the yummy mummy self-con.

[Moos]

I've never heard yummy mummy used except as an expression of hatred. Except in about 1990 an in re: Liz Hurley.

[Saila]

i'm still getting over the fact that *women* are turning up in boozers... jeezus

where do you draw the line?

[Moos]

How do they find the time? I'm too busy washing, cleaning and laughing at my husband's jokes.

[ad2000]

ad2000 Wrote:

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> Yummy mummy is a slang term used in the United

> Kingdom to describe young, attractive and wealthy

> mothers.

>

> I'm in a bit of a pickle - I am old, ugly and

> poor. Can I still take me kids to the boozer?

Actually, 'yummy mummy' is a term used by the mothers themselves to try and give their egos a boost. Everyone else uses MILF, and usually not about the ones that try the yummy mummy self-con.

Thanks Loz - that's a relief (I actually quoted a previous post - in the old days you just had regular mums. I suppose some were MILFs too)

[Cassius]

steveo Wrote:

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> Pubs are for geezers and violence, slatterns and

> dope deals, fags, nags and Tottenham.

>

> This is 1991 isn't it?

>

> Dr. Who

Sounds more like 1971 to me

[first mate]

I think it's great for kids to be in pubs and restaurants provided they are being properly supervised and not running and screaming about the place. It is up to parents to ensure that their kids are suitably entertained and not left to their own devices.

I remember sitting in the Bishop last year and noticed a young foursome, each couple with a baby. One of the baby's was screaming until it was almost blue in the face.One of the men, the father I assume, had the baby dandled on his knee, with no support for the baby's head. It was just all wrong. I was on the verge of intervening when finally they decided to leave. I feel a glass or two of something had got in the way of judgement. The baby really looked very distressed for quite some time and I did feel that the Bishop environment was all just too full on for a babe of that age.

On another occasion a couple next to me in the Actress let their toddler clamber all over our table, the surrounding chairs, and all over me. They went on to tell me that their child was extremely hyperactive and hard to calm down. I did wonder if an extremely noisy pub, quite late in the evening, was, therefore, the best place for an over stimulated kiddie?

Anyhow, I'm all for kids but they must be supervised otherwise it's unfair on others but most of all on the kids.

[chantelle]

well get over it because children in pubs are a feature of modern life and half the pubs in this country would be out of business without the food receipts from families. There are pubs to cater to all sorts so it shouldn't be hard to find those without children about. There will also always be badly-behaved children - and adults - you don't have to look far for either but it's not fair to make sweeping statements.

and I love how the appearance of mums with children in public is construed as women living the high life off hubby's credit card. But god forbid a mum send said children to nursery or hire a nanny and return to work - because that would just be selfish to have someone else raise the kids, right?

[edcam]

chantelle Wrote:

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> well get over it because children in pubs are a

> feature of modern life and half the pubs in this

> country would be out of business without the food

> receipts from families. There are pubs to cater to

> all sorts so it shouldn't be hard to find those

> without children about. There will also always be

> badly-behaved children - and adults - you don't

> have to look far for either but it's not fair to

> make sweeping statements.

>

>

The phrase "get over it" invariably accompanies a post like this. There's no "get over it" about it. Pubs just aren't the place for children. Restaurants are fine if the kids are well behaved but pubs, no.

[Jeremy]

Kids at lunchtime are fine, but in the evening... no way, it's just not a suitable environment. But fortunately most pubs don't allow kids in the evenings anyway.

[Otta]

If it's dark outside, a child has no place in a pub. In the summer, I think 8pm is plenty late enough.

I have 2 kids, and like drinking, I like drinking a lot! I don't go to the pub ANYWHERE NEAR as much as I used to, because to be honest, when I'm in the boozer, I don't actually want to be thinking about whether my kid is behaving, or safe, I just want to drink and smoke with my mates.

In the summer, I may take the little one to the pub, and sit outside, but she gets bored pretty quickly anyway. I have to say, I don't get why anyone would actually want to spend very long in a pub with their kids, and I don't think it's actually that enjoyable for the kid. (I speak as someone who spent a lot of time in pubs as a kid).

Pre 2005, Yummy Mummy, was a clean way f saying MILF, and I actually knew some women who used it about themselves (which I always thought was a bit like saying "I'm really pretty, but anyway). These days though, it is very much used by the likes of Jimmy as an insult to the sort of people he doesn't like.

[chantelle]

edcam - I say "get over it" because it is a fact that children are welcomed in the majority of pubs now and that is unlikely to change. You're entitled to think they shouldn't be, but they are. Frankly I don't have a strong opinion either way on the issue, though I agree with those who say there should be limits (and usually there are). Even child-friendly pubs such as the Florence in Herne Hill says they have to leave after 8pm, and Victorian Inn keeps them penned off in the back.

[JimmyMc1311]

Some pubs do it well and actually hide the kids at the back. It's great. Almost like that wonderful city in Chitty Chitty Bang Bang.I would however politely disagree with Chantelle when she says that children are'welcomed' in the majority of pubs. Maybe the bigwigs at the top of the brewery chain might welcome kids, but the rolling eyes of the barstaff, and those of the other adults who up until then were having a good time would disagree when the peace and calm is shattered by screams and cries.

[DulwichFox]

It's a bit sad that so many mothers lack the imagination to take their babies and children

to anywhere other than the pub.. (Sorry, I forgot about McDonald's)

Why not organize yourselves in groups, meet in each others houses. Go to the park. Fresh air..

Even without smoking, pubs are not the right atmosphere for babies and small children.

It is not a new thing. I know some kids (now grown up) who spent much of their childhood in pubs.

Even when they were smokey holes.

Cannot see much wrong with families having a meal in a dedicated dining area where the kids are

supervised. But even this is not always the case.

I would say that there is a need for the pubs to be child free after 21.00.

It is up to pub management to ensure the saftey of all it's customers.

That floors are not littered with bags and toys, and gangways not blocked by buggies & prams.

Fox

[StraferJack]

dulwichfox, otta and others are surely correct about evenings being child-free

But isn't that already the case? I don't know anywhere with kids kncoking around of an evening (or I'm not noticing anyway..)

which leaves the days - you take the kids and parents (not just mums foxy) out of pubs during the day and you can kiss goodbye to those pubs altogether

at the moment it's about right isn't it?

[DulwichFox]

StraferJack Wrote:

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> dulwichfox, otta and others are surely correct

> about evenings being child-free

>

> But isn't that already the case? I don't know

> anywhere with kids kncoking around of an evening

> (or I'm not noticing anyway..)

>

> which leaves the days - you take the kids and

> parents (not just mums foxy) out of pubs during

> the day and you can kiss goodbye to those pubs

> altogether

>

> at the moment it's about right isn't it?

Is It??

kiss goodbye to those pubs altogether

A group of Mummies making a glass of Red last 2 Hours isn't going to make a lot of difference.

And certainly may deter other drinkers. I certainly steer clear at lunchtime weekends.

Fox.

[pablogrande]

Where are all these pubs filled with yummy mummies? The ones I drink in are full of Ginsters spinsters

[zobellina]

pommie Wrote:

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> i dont think there is anything wrong with

> kids/prams in pubs as long as the parents keep

> control of the children

I think this is the main point of the post. It's not so much that the children are in there, it's that they're under your table and running around the pub screeching.

I saw a great quote once.

"Children are like ideas, you always think yours are the best.

Please keep your ideas under control."

[????]

As I've said before, personally the two groups I find most annoying in pubs are:

- Twatty 20 somethings with stupid haircuts and opinions with crapy taste in music

- Braying rugger buggers

The pubs are absolutely packed with these tiring, noisy, think they own the gaff types all weekend

WHY CAN'T EVERYONE BE JUST LIKE ME

[Sue]

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:)-D

[Curmudgeon]

families taking over pubs may well change the god-awful British attitude to alcohol

rather than a drink as much as you can alcohol will become associated with the food and the socialisation as it is in Europe

There are rules though - children should sit / speak quietly- they should not be free to walk around / run around / shriek or shout

[????]

Whilst I agree with your sentiment Curmudgeon, as someone who has lived in Spain and has family in Italy the oft quotted myth about well behaved european children is one that makes me chuckle no-end. They may not get noticed as much 'cos of the more outside culture but the little scrotes are generally allowed to run aound causing mayhem until at least midnight...they just accept it more

[StraferJack]

And British kids are angelic compared to the behaviour of Irish sprites - all whizzed up on tayto & tanora

And so MANY of them... I've given up trying to watch matches on pub TVs in Ireland for that reason