puzzled Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 barber's problem is that he really isn't very good at politics. he is just a smalltime busybody and really is the last person who should be elected to anything. I imagine he is among the least popular councillor with his colleagues of all parties. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/20103-edstation-controlled-parking-zone/page/49/#findComment-516035 Share on other sites More sharing options...
easytiger Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 I just cannot believe this man James Barber. He is now claiming to be bullied. He has gone into the zone promoting this CPZ scheme going from house to house. A handful of people that listened to him say yes to CPZ. The MAJORITY of residents have said no to this. People that are in the zone say NO. YET, he still carries on with his bullish way in bringing in this CPZ. Every business person within the zone that i have spoken to said no CPZ, bar one who is unsure. At the last meeting there were no residents saying yes to CPZ. A Derwent Rd resident spoke and clearly was against this. As others have said, we the community are being bullied by James Barber and Southwark Council.James, where are your supporters for CPZ? Are they on this thread? Have they been campaigning for CPZ? No they have not. Vote as you please, please do it so we can have shot of you. Don't feel bullied will you. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/20103-edstation-controlled-parking-zone/page/49/#findComment-516037 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Puzzled's problem is that s/he really isn't very good at manners. s/he is just a smalltime busybody and really is the last person who should be talking about who should be elected to anything. I imagine s/he is among the least popular people with his/her acquaintances of all walks of life.Obviously I know none of that to be true, just as you puzzled don't really know much (anything?) about James Barber the person. Neither do I, but I at least have the manners to call someone by their first name. What are you, some 1990s Harry Enfield enthusiast? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/20103-edstation-controlled-parking-zone/page/49/#findComment-516038 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 And for the record, I couldn't give a rats tail about the CPZ, but the nastiness on this thread kind of makes me hope it happens, just to annoy some unpleasant people. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/20103-edstation-controlled-parking-zone/page/49/#findComment-516039 Share on other sites More sharing options...
first mate Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 I really do think we should stop any personal attacks on James. It may be true to argue that he is playing politics with this issue but then he is a politican...... Pointing out flaws in his arguments is perfectly fair though.Let us focus on the issue which is CPZ. There are extremely strong arguments against and thus far, the only argument in favour seems to be that it may help a minority of residents on two streets although, as James has stated, there is no guarantee it will defintely have the 'desired affect', and the problem will, of course, simply be passed on to the next street. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/20103-edstation-controlled-parking-zone/page/49/#findComment-516043 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonaome Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 The consultation was clearly asking streets what they thought, it said the results would be analysed and reported on a street by street basis. It wasn't a referendum. If the results had been the exact opposite James, would you now be expressing reservations about steaming ahead with a CPZ?SOme of our streets have said yes and others have said yes if a neighbouring street were to get controls. All the streets except 2 have said no. If all the streets except 2 had said yes, would you be fighting for those 2 streets to be excluded from the CPZ?Someone/s have been dishonestly going around telling people ... Perhaps that could have been prevented by a more honest an open consultation process. Nothing fills an information vacuum better than rumour - on both sides.What I find disappointing is people with real problems have been lost in all this and no one is suggesting any other solution/s.There are also people who are saying that a CPZ will cause them real problems. That's why they have "voted"* against it.* Yeah, yeah. I know it wasn't a vote. Can't help but wonder if the results had been reversed ... bet you then it would have been all about how people have 'voted'.Edited for typo and tidiness. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/20103-edstation-controlled-parking-zone/page/49/#findComment-516047 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siduhe Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 +1 for leaving the personal stuff to one side. I may not agree with James' position or stated approach on this issue, but he stands up and gets involved for better or for worse. His record on this forum (and in other contexts) shows he's a capable councillor and he commits a lot of time to the role, which most people can't be bothered to do. Easy to take shots from the galleries, much harder to actually do something about it yourself.That said, in my view, the role of a councillor on this sort of local issue is to represent his constituents by taking proper account of their views. Not follow the for/against slavishly as if it were a referendum, not follow a party political or local council line, but to look at what the overall views of his constituents in this area are on whether they want a CPZ. Personally, I think the outcome of the consultation is clear and explicit on this point. A No vote to the CPZ won't be popular with everyone, and the Council should absolutely look at the minor change options to assist those close to the station, but to vote any other way isn't representative. (Again, in my view) it necessarily involves substituting personal views based on other factors for the overall views of constituents. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/20103-edstation-controlled-parking-zone/page/49/#findComment-516050 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ed_pete Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Hear, hear - and I think puzzled should apologise and delete his/her post. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/20103-edstation-controlled-parking-zone/page/49/#findComment-516052 Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddug Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Siduhe wrote:"he [james barber] stands up and gets involved for better or for worse." but then adds: "That said, in my view, the role of a councillor on this sort of local issue is to represent his constituents by taking proper account of their views. Not follow the for/against slavishly as if it were a referendum, not follow a party political or local council line, but to look at what the overall views of his constituents in this area are on whether they want a CPZ."er, well yes. Don't you think the two are mutually incompatible, i.e. "for worse"? The key words here are: "represent his constituents". He is not. He is following his own agenda. God knows why. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/20103-edstation-controlled-parking-zone/page/49/#findComment-516057 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby P Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 I'd join with others in saying that while I thoroughly disagree with James' pro-CPZ views and I fear none of his arguments for its introduction hold water based on the evidence, statistics, numbers and resident experiences, I do appreciate his engagement and would not make this a personal issue. While I think he could be a little more forthright about his political agenda on CPZs (which he naturally has and should not be ashamed of), I am all for robust debate and I think the vast majority of his constituents have not been shy in making their anti-CPZ views clear. I do hope he and the other Councillors heed this massive swell of opinion, but clearly if they don't and follow another agenda, then in a democracy there is usually a swift and fierce electoral penalty to pay. I don't think James will have any problem on the vast majority of his doorsteps if he shows that he is a reasoned individual who hears the arguments, takes them on board and votes with the evidence - which is utterly stacked against Southwark's ridiculous proposal. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/20103-edstation-controlled-parking-zone/page/49/#findComment-516061 Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddug Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Trouble is BobbyP, is that James is not "a reasoned individual who hears the arguments", and has proved this during the whole debate. It's not a personal thing against him, but I for one feel he is far too much a "company man" when it comes to Southwark Council. His agenda is, basically, theirs. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/20103-edstation-controlled-parking-zone/page/49/#findComment-516067 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 It's not a personal thingagainst him HAHAHAHAHAHA, That is brilliant. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/20103-edstation-controlled-parking-zone/page/49/#findComment-516074 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fazer71 Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 According to the Objectors there is apparently ?NO parking problem?. so NO problem = a CPZ will have ?little impact? on OTHER Streets if introduced.Let those who want a CPZ have a CPZ if that?s just 2 roads Derwent and Tintagel.Do this in a democratic a street by street basis.NO problem?..Democracy can?t get any better than that! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/20103-edstation-controlled-parking-zone/page/49/#findComment-516087 Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddug Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Otta wrote: "HAHAHAHAHAHA"Well, yes, maybe it is personal then. I guess it does get personal - for me and others - when one of our political "representatives" starts reneging on his duty to represent us while also trying his best to make our lives the poorer, financially and emotionally, and does eff fanny adams to help with really serious problems while throwing himself into piddling irritations such as dog poo and litter, which is his normal remit. Urgh (sorry everyone!). Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/20103-edstation-controlled-parking-zone/page/49/#findComment-516096 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fazer71 Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Yes James is just a politician.1 Trying to get votes2 Trying to ?help? to get more votes3 Trying to ?look like he?s doing the right thing? to get more votesPutting that aside. ?That?s stuff we all know?He probably has a better balanced view of what the majority want and need, armed with information from the specialists and the experiences of others and conversations with the locals, chances are we?ll end up with what is required for the benefit of the majority.Voters don?t always know what is best for them.The James?s of this world don?t get everything right, but they do a better job than any kangaroo court of local neighbours ever would. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/20103-edstation-controlled-parking-zone/page/49/#findComment-516103 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Spot on! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/20103-edstation-controlled-parking-zone/page/49/#findComment-516104 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsirett Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 fazer71 Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Yes James is just a politician.> 1 Trying to get votes> 2 Trying to ?help? to get more votes> 3 Trying to ?look like he?s doing the right thing?> to get more votes> Putting that aside. ?That?s stuff we all know?> > He probably has a better balanced view of what the> majority want and need, armed with information> from the specialists and the experiences of others> and conversations with the locals, chances are> we?ll end up with what is required for the benefit> of the majority.> > Voters don?t always know what is best for them.> > The James?s of this world don?t get everything> right, but they do a better job than any kangaroo> court of local neighbours ever would.Hmmmmm, mr barber has a better grasp on opinion than asking every person in the area how they feel? really? He knows better? He certainly hasn't shown that to date?Maybe we should just scrap consultations, votes and all that stuff. We're clearly surrounded by people much smarter than us. Why should we have a say.....we're plebs. I'm going to get jumped on for this ( and it is NOT, repeat NOT aimed at mr barber) but, fazer, German politicians got a lot done in the 30's ( and those Italian railway stations from 1936 are great). .A very extreme example, but, for me, democratic process is not there to be negotiated Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/20103-edstation-controlled-parking-zone/page/49/#findComment-516111 Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddug Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Fazer71 has just fazed me! He wrote: "He [james] probably has a better balanced view of what the majority want and need" and "Voters don?t always know what is best for them."Ok then, let's just have a fascist state with a nice little dictator who cares only for our best interests. Are you insane?!!!!!!!And Otta. Do you not think the name Attila would serve you better?Edited a hundred times because I'm frothing at the mouth. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/20103-edstation-controlled-parking-zone/page/49/#findComment-516115 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PipD Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 41 pages for Godwin's Law, surprised it's taken so long! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/20103-edstation-controlled-parking-zone/page/49/#findComment-516116 Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddug Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Pip D: >:D<(but, fair play, he didn't mention nazis or Hitler!) Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/20103-edstation-controlled-parking-zone/page/49/#findComment-516117 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsirett Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 PipD Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> 41 pages for Godwin's Law, surprised it's taken so> long!LOL ( at myself)It's also a good job that Wikipedia is working today ! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/20103-edstation-controlled-parking-zone/page/49/#findComment-516119 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 buddug, why do you call me Atila?As I've said, I genuinely couldn't care less whether there is a CPZ or not, but some of the posts on here are just nasty.Even people who totally oppose James Barber's point of view have said as much.I have never met or spoken to James, and I've disagreed with him pretty strongly on various things, but I've never felt the need to make a personal attack on him.You have a MAJOR gripe about a housing issue, and feel that James did a bad job for you. Even if that is 100% true, you are one person, with one issue. I hardly think that is evidence on which to claim James Barber is bad at his job.Bloody grow up! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/20103-edstation-controlled-parking-zone/page/49/#findComment-516122 Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddug Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Attila the Hun!?! Because you supported fazer71 in his assertion that voters don't always know what's best for them. And bugger my housing issues, which I've brought up on his "can I help" thread. This thread is about the CPZ, so let's stick with that, shall we. And I'm surprised that you, who has also suffered MAJOR problems as a Southwark leaseholder, are now an apologist for someone who so clearly represents, more than his constituents, the ideology of said council. You're a paradox, if you don't mind my saying. And let's not forget, James, as our representative, is supposed to represent the majority. He is not doing so. Ergo, he is bad at his job.And by the way, the day I grow up will be the day I die.(Edited a thousand times because I am frothing at the mouth) Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/20103-edstation-controlled-parking-zone/page/49/#findComment-516123 Share on other sites More sharing options...
first mate Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 fazer,It is well recognised that residents on two streets feel they have a problem. The objection is that the 'solution' as proposed, will merely shift that problem to another street- as you suggested, streets on the edge of the CPZ will always have a problem. A further objection is that the majority of those participating in the consultation have said no to CPZ. Many are also distrustful of how any CPZ system would be managed in terms of permit costs etc..There are also fears that an overriding political motive is 'money' dressed up and presented as the 'greater good'. In short, I think many distrust the process, the motive and the proposed system. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/20103-edstation-controlled-parking-zone/page/49/#findComment-516124 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gm99 Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Lucas Gardens CPZ update at 2145 tonight:Parking occupancy inside the CPZ roughly 60%Parking occupancy outside the CPZ roughly 95% (significantly higher than pre-CPZ)Even outside the 0830 to 1830 hours of operation the CPZ appears to have displaced parking. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/20103-edstation-controlled-parking-zone/page/49/#findComment-516156 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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