Parent & baby spaces at Sainsburys ED

[Robert Poste's Child]

Pugwash Wrote:

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> Maybe the best solution is to have wider bays so

> all of us who struggle getting in/out car can push

> the car door open wide without scratching another

> car.

That's a really good idea. Perhaps just one area, badged like the priority seats on trains and buses.

Except in ED where it will be called Pugwash Parking.

[gingerchris]

I think offering some wider bays further away for the entrance would suffice for a lot of parents. The gaps between the bays are the reason I use those spaces, I would not be averse to having to walk a bit further to use them.

[binkylilyput]

uncleglen is winning this discussion by miles! :-)

[El Presidente]

Ok, while i think people who park in these spaces without a disability or kids deserve all the opprobrium they get...a few people on here need to get a grip!

The only people who really need these spaces are the disabled or elderly and immobile. People with kids don't. End of story. They are just kids. You can get by. I have. On many, many occasions.. Others have. Stop making out you are some kind of special interest group. They are just kids. Deal with them.

These spaces should be reserved for disabled people who have a genuine need because they have limited mobility. Parents don't. A bit of extra space to open a car door? Are you serious? Learn to park instead.

[Sue]

There are some really rude people on this thread.

I'm assuming El Presidente does not have small children.

"Learn to park instead"? Charming.

[El Presidente]

Sue Wrote:

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> There are some really rude people on this thread.

>

> I'm assuming El Presidente does not have small

> children.

>

> "Learn to park instead"? Charming.

I have two small children and regularly go to Sainsburys thanks Sue.

[rendelharris]

El Presidente Wrote:

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> These spaces should be reserved for disabled

> people who have a genuine need because they have

> limited mobility. Parents don't. A bit of extra

> space to open a car door? Are you serious? Learn

> to park instead.

I think you'll find there are disabled spaces and parent and child spaces both available. There seems to be a misconception on here that you can only have one or the other. Fortunately Sainsbury's provide both, and the only problem raised on this thread is people who are not entitled to either saying they want to use them.

[Earl Aelfheah]

El Presidente Wrote:

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> Ok, while i think people who park in these spaces

> without a disability or kids deserve all the

> opprobrium they get...a few people on here need to

> get a grip!

>

> The only people who really need these spaces are

> the disabled or elderly and immobile. People with

> kids don't. End of story. They are just kids. You

> can get by. I have. On many, many occasions..

> Others have. Stop making out you are some kind of

> special interest group. They are just kids. Deal

> with them.

>

> These spaces should be reserved for disabled

> people who have a genuine need because they have

> limited mobility. Parents don't. A bit of extra

> space to open a car door? Are you serious? Learn

> to park instead.

But they are reserved for people with children. it's a weird argument - people with kids don't need these spaces (even though they are set aside specifically for their use), but someone without kids does. What?

Surely it's Sainsbury's decision who parks where in their car park. Can I come and park in your drive, because why do you need it? You can park across the road and walk to your front door. If you think I'm being unreasonable, you clearly need to get a grip. I have ultimate say over where I park, not the landowner.

[fishbiscuits]

Once kids are big enough to climb in and out of the car themselves, you don't really need the wider spaces. But trying to reach in and lift out a baby, when you can only open the door half way... that can be pretty tricky. And there's a really high chance of smacking your door into the next car.

Of course I agree that other people that need them - elderly or those with mobility issues, etc - should use the spaces too. But using them just because you're a lazy bellend is incredibly selfish. And no, being in your 50s is not a valid reason.

[Sue]

El Presidente Wrote:

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> Sue Wrote:

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> > There are some really rude people on this

> thread.

> >

> > I'm assuming El Presidente does not have small

> > children.

> >

> > "Learn to park instead"? Charming.

>

> I have two small children and regularly go to

> Sainsburys thanks Sue.

I am amazed at your post, your rudeness and your attitude to other parents, in that case!

[Lolamaxx]

I think there hasn't been an older generation that didn't think they had it much harder than the current younger generation... and maybe, in a lot of ways, they're right... perhaps not the Baby Boomers - they definitely had the peace and prosperity their parents and grandparents didn't get!

Neither here nor there when it comes to folding up buggies when on buses, but if you think how society has changed in the last few generations, mums on buses would have been far more likely to have the help and support of their own mums, female siblings or female community members when out and about, or generally as a more chivalrous attitude was common, and communities were more close-knit. And it sounds like there was a bit more of a helpful and supportive "everyone muck in" attitude in general. Obviously having children is very much a choice, but that doesn't mean that it is easy to carry out... People who need help are just that - people who need help. Surely it's our responsibility to help others in society, if we can... refusing to help or take seriously a person who's disabled because it's the result of lifestyle choices wouldn't be right either, so surely anyone who's having an easier time, on the face of it, should help out someone who isn't?

[Robert Poste's Child]

Or what used to be called having good manners!

[Penguinpost]

El presidenti

I would disagree that people with kids don?t need these spaces. There are only 2 (yes 2 and I have confirmed this with store management) trolleys that 2 babies and toddlers can sit in at this particular store (there are loads of double baby trolleys). The trolley attendants are well aware of this and therefore do their best to ensure these 2 trolleys go back into the trolley park next to the parent and child places. When you have 2 one year old children do you really think it?s acceptable to leave the kids in the car parked up at the other end of the car park while you go get one of these trolleys? Or do you think 2 1 year olds should walk across a car park with me to get this trolley?

Also what about actually opening the doors on both sides of car to get them out the rear facing car seats?

Please do answer as I am genuinely interested to hear your opinion?

[Robert Poste's Child]

Isn't it OK for people to judge for themselves whether they need more space? The rest of us need to accept that, as with disability, neeeds aren't always visible and they don't always stay the same - meaning they may be temporary or intermittent.

[Passiflora]

Interesting programme tonight on Channel 5 about parking issues in Britain.

Showed a mum in South London running around supermarket car parks challenging people who parked in parent and baby spaces! She's even taken it to parliament! Think her website was called give me space or something like that.

[Robert Poste's Child]

Bet she lives around here.

I was nearly injured once when I stopped on the edge of one of the disabled bays in Sainsbury's car park while I read a text message (thought it would be safer to be out of the main traffic flow first) and a driver drove her car right up to nudge me out of the way even though other disabled spaces were free.

When I told her what I thought (euphemism) she got out of her car and ran at me. She's cured: it's a miracle!

[robbin]

Are you seriously such a slave to your mobile device that you couldn't wait 30 seconds (while you parked) before reading your text?

[Robert Poste's Child]

I was walking. She drove her car into me deliberately.

[Houseoflego]

I didn?t see this post on the forum yesterday and thought, phew, it?s been taken down because it?s so very toxic.

I was wrong. FYI Robert posts child a lot of disabilities are invisable. E.g. someone with MS could possibly walk ok to the shop from the car to shop but it may well knock them out for the rest of the day.

Casual disability discrimination, like casual racism, is on the rise. People don?t always realise that they are spreading hate so it?s somethjng to watch out for.

[Robert Poste's Child]

I know a lot of disabilities are invisible, thanks - mine too in fact - but it doesn't give you the right to assault someone by driving your car into them, albeit slowly, to push them out of your way. She could have used any of the other empty disabled bays, or used her horn, gestured, wound the window down and spoken. She didn't choose to do that. And she ran faster than I could.

[Earl Aelfheah]

Robert Poste's Child Wrote:

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> Isn't it OK for people to judge for themselves

> whether they need more space? The rest of us need

> to accept that, as with disability, neeeds aren't

> always visible and they don't always stay the same

> - meaning they may be temporary or intermittent.

Not really. It's up to Sainsbury's if they want to designate a small number of spaces for a specific use. It's not up to individuals to judge whether or not they 'need' to take a bigger space. I might decide I need more space because I fancy it, but it's not really up to me is it?

There are spaces for people who are genuinely disabled.

Also, as those who want to decry parent / child spaces are keen to point out - it's not that hard to walk an addition 5 metres for the able bodied, without little humans to drag along with them.

Frankly the decision to make life easier for parents may simply be a commercial one by Sainsbury's, rather than one strictly of need. It's up to them.

People need to be a lot less entitled imo.

[Robert Poste's Child]

I know you're right that people would abuse the system. I just wish it was possible to make things more flexible and inclusive in that way.

[Houseoflego]

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