moni69 Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 Dear AllPlease can local residents comment on the latest proposal by owner of the shops where Roy Brooks Estate Agent is on BArry Parade/Peckham Rye corner. He is once again proposing an insanley high building, with underground basement parking which I wthink will have a negative impact on the the locality (I live next door to the site) It would be helpful if people could give there views. While I support in general the development of the site, the owner keeps putting in planning for buildings that are just not viable, and some would argue is doing so in order to be seen to be interested in developing the plot, while not actually having any real intent to do so with a sensible and considered proposal.All comments would be appreciated to insure the area is developed with sensitivity and consideration to local residents, rather than with an eye on profits!here is the link to the council page, if it doesnt work the application ref is 18/AP/2238 https://planning.southwark.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=summary&keyVal=_STHWR_DCAPR_9579030Many thanks in advance Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/198236-barry-paradepeckham-rye-corner-planning-proposal/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abe_froeman Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 Anything at all would be better than what is there now imo. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/198236-barry-paradepeckham-rye-corner-planning-proposal/#findComment-1263468 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abe_froeman Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 and the height seems to be pretty much the same as what is there now:http://planbuild.southwark.gov.uk/documents/?GetDocument=%7b%7b%7b!uaHXqRBXz2eWMwfaVjFA2Q%3d%3d!%7d%7d%7d Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/198236-barry-paradepeckham-rye-corner-planning-proposal/#findComment-1263469 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sally Eva Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 Abe_froeman Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> and the height seems to be pretty much the same as> what is there now:> > http://planbuild.southwark.gov.uk/documents/?GetDo> cument=%7b%7b%7b!uaHXqRBXz2eWMwfaVjFA2Q%3d%3d!%7d%> 7d%7dBit higher p'haps. Perhaps the original poster could be more specific about what they are objecting to? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/198236-barry-paradepeckham-rye-corner-planning-proposal/#findComment-1263524 Share on other sites More sharing options...
moni69 Posted July 20, 2018 Author Share Posted July 20, 2018 The proposed building is four story's high, with an underground car park, for residents of flats, and commercial use. I live next door, the building will block light to my bedroom windows, and the underground parking is at risk of damaging the foundations of my house. Prior planning proposal have been based on the commercial units being leased to a supermarket which would involve delivery lorries parking and delivering on what is already a very busy corner which is frequently backed up with traffic. Just a couple of weeks ago I witnessed an accident where a young boy was knocked off his bike by a car turning into Barry Road from Pekham Rye, the impact of causing further obstructions and heavyweight traffic to this corner is going to have a further negative effect, and in all likley hood the commercial units would be leased to yet another supermarket chain, which will also have further impact on local stores like Barry's who have managed to stay in business by some sort of miracle! The owner of the land repeatedly puts in for crazy planning which will be rejected on various grounds. There is a consensus among those of us living close by that he does so in order to be seen to be doing something with the building, as otherwise the council have grounds to claim the land. So the owner (A multi billionaire by the way) is paying lip service to a system in order to keep hold of land he has no intention of developing. This is just one, and I admit anecdotal thought. As I said in my comments to the council I am in favour of development, trust me I lived next door while it was full of junkies and squatters, and was the only local resident to play an active role in getting them removed. I am just asking that local residents understand the full picture and review the proposal thats all. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/198236-barry-paradepeckham-rye-corner-planning-proposal/#findComment-1263527 Share on other sites More sharing options...
intexasatthe moment Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 "does so in order to be seen to be doing something with the building, as otherwise the council have grounds to claim the land." what are you basing this on ?don't mean this to sound rude ,genuinely interested . Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/198236-barry-paradepeckham-rye-corner-planning-proposal/#findComment-1263586 Share on other sites More sharing options...
intexasatthe moment Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 There was a derlict house in Peckham next to a family member which Southwark after decades did claim and auction off ,but this was because they could not find an owner and the action was to recoup unpaid council tax .But that's not the scenario here is it ? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/198236-barry-paradepeckham-rye-corner-planning-proposal/#findComment-1263587 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rendelharris Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 It actually appears to be five storeys high at its highest point, with the rooftop penthouse. It doesn't look too bad on the plans, but if you visualize the actual size and width it will have a huge, and in my view negative, impact on what's currently a very pleasant vista from the Common. What's there now needs replacing but surely something more in keeping with its environment could be designed. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/198236-barry-paradepeckham-rye-corner-planning-proposal/#findComment-1263597 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugwash Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 It will come under the Dulwich Hill Ward - contact the councillors to raise your objections. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/198236-barry-paradepeckham-rye-corner-planning-proposal/#findComment-1263687 Share on other sites More sharing options...
intexasatthe moment Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 or they could also comment directly on Southwark's planning pages https://planning.southwark.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=summary&keyVal=_STHWR_DCAPR_9579030 Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/198236-barry-paradepeckham-rye-corner-planning-proposal/#findComment-1263704 Share on other sites More sharing options...
moni69 Posted July 21, 2018 Author Share Posted July 21, 2018 Please do comment online at the council planning website. The proposal reference is 18/AP/2238 , web link below[planning.southwark.gov.uk]While I absolutley want it developed, having recieved a letter this morning highlighting that there will be two retail units, and I know one is intended for another co-op, do we really need another siupermarket in the area, it will most certainly put BArry's out of business, and Shauns barbers as well. Not to mention the increase in traffic with deliveries etc, please please comment against. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/198236-barry-paradepeckham-rye-corner-planning-proposal/#findComment-1263717 Share on other sites More sharing options...
poch Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 Barry's is a really great local newsagents. It would be really sad to see another supermarket go in (will have two Sainsbury's, two M and Ss, and two co-ops in ED...). An entirely residential unit (more in keeping with what's there) would make a lot more sense. Will write to Southwark! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/198236-barry-paradepeckham-rye-corner-planning-proposal/#findComment-1263742 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HelBel65 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 Oh no...not another Co-op, please! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/198236-barry-paradepeckham-rye-corner-planning-proposal/#findComment-1263773 Share on other sites More sharing options...
peckham_ryu Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 DLG Architects recently posted their drawings on Twitter: https://twitter.com/DLGarchitects/status/1025360379235524615/photo/1 Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/198236-barry-paradepeckham-rye-corner-planning-proposal/#findComment-1267179 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hpsaucey Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 moni69 Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> The proposed building is four story's high, with> an underground car park, for residents of flats,> and commercial use. I live next door, the building> will block light to my bedroom windows, and the> underground parking is at risk of damaging the> foundations of my house. Prior planning proposal> have been based on the commercial units being> leased to a supermarket which would involve> delivery lorries parking and delivering on what is> already a very busy corner which is frequently> backed up with traffic. Just a couple of weeks ago> I witnessed an accident where a young boy was> knocked off his bike by a car turning into Barry> Road from Pekham Rye, the impact of causing> further obstructions and heavyweight traffic to> this corner is going to have a further negative> effect, and in all likley hood the commercial> units would be leased to yet another supermarket> chain, which will also have further impact on> local stores like Barry's who have managed to stay> in business by some sort of miracle! The owner of> the land repeatedly puts in for crazy planning> which will be rejected on various grounds. There> is a consensus among those of us living close by> that he does so in order to be seen to be doing> something with the building, as otherwise the> council have grounds to claim the land. So the> owner (A multi billionaire by the way) is paying> lip service to a system in order to keep hold of> land he has no intention of developing. This is> just one, and I admit anecdotal thought. As I said> in my comments to the council I am in favour of> development, trust me I lived next door while it> was full of junkies and squatters, and was the> only local resident to play an active role in> getting them removed. I am just asking that local> residents understand the full picture and review> the proposal thats all.Gotta agree about the danger on that corner. They are proposing using the parking bay nearest the junction for deliveries between 7 and 10 a.m. Sightlines for anyone crossing at that corner already bad with mainly short-term cars parking there. Can2't imagine a taller, wider delivery truck doing anything but making it MORE dangerous as well as adding to congestion during rush hour. Proposal also says all their refuse will be collected from there which means refuse trucks also using the bay. Apparently store refuse/ deliveries won't be out on the pavements, but given Co-op and Tesco behaviour locally in this regard pigs might fly!And its higher than surrounding buildings... as has already been said. And I love Barrys! Wouldn't want to see them outed by another chain store.HP Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/198236-barry-paradepeckham-rye-corner-planning-proposal/#findComment-1268225 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbboy Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 The image posted on Twitter looks good, much better than the current eyesore that is currently there, and where will Roy Brooks be moving too?More NIMBY, "oh no not another CoOp" Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/198236-barry-paradepeckham-rye-corner-planning-proposal/#findComment-1268233 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesmcash Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 Hi allI would definitely agree with posters above that if you do not want the application to go ahead then it's best to submit an objection through the Southwark website. Rules around planning mean that decisions can only be based on what are called 'material conditions' which include:Overlooking/loss of privacyLoss of light or overshadowingParkingHighway safetyTrafficNoiseEffect on listed building and conservation areaLayout and density of buildingDesign, appearance and materialsGovernment policyDisabled persons' accessProposals in the Development PlanPrevious planning decisions (including appeal decisions)Nature conservationSo if you emphasise these areas then the objection will be given more weight.Best wishesJames Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/198236-barry-paradepeckham-rye-corner-planning-proposal/#findComment-1268459 Share on other sites More sharing options...
J27 Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 Hi, I've just written my objection to the proposed development on Southwark's planning pages.The right sort of development would be a welcome addition to this site. But I agree with many others that this proposal is not appropriate for the area. More affordable homes would be wonderful. More shops would not... Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/198236-barry-paradepeckham-rye-corner-planning-proposal/#findComment-1268613 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl Aelfheah Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 It Looks OK to me. It's no higher than the neighbouring building, the higher part is set back to the line of the neighbouring building too. It's pretty uninspiring, but there are worse developments around. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/198236-barry-paradepeckham-rye-corner-planning-proposal/#findComment-1268697 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cella Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 Slight deviation on less than sites. I was waiting at the bus stop opposite ED Station earlier and had time to look at the site there. Looks pretty tacky and they've just taped up the damage to the corner that was knocked into recently. That mock brick cladding looks as though it's superglued on - not sure I would be buying. Not sure what Southwark's role in the finished article might be but surely new buildings must pass some sort of standards test? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/198236-barry-paradepeckham-rye-corner-planning-proposal/#findComment-1268699 Share on other sites More sharing options...
moni69 Posted August 10, 2018 Author Share Posted August 10, 2018 Thanks all for your comments, and to all who have commented on the council planning page. I too living next door to it for a number of years really want it developed, however I guessthe only thing you have to ask yourself is would you be happy living next door to it, and while whats there is awful, at least there is still potential for something half decent to be put up, if they get it wrong it's there forever and an unsightly cheap building put up purely to make profit for unscrupulous property developers is not desirible or ethical!Anyhoo, we will see, but thank you for all responses Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/198236-barry-paradepeckham-rye-corner-planning-proposal/#findComment-1268841 Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Barber Posted August 11, 2018 Share Posted August 11, 2018 Hi mini69,you can also ask the local councillors - both of the ward and it is across the road for Goose Green Councillors whether they think it should be 'called0-in' to be decided by a committee of councillors IF council planning officers plan to grant planning permission under delegated powers. When this happens it means you get a chance and others to speak for and against any scheme - at worst it often sees a few tighter conditions for a scheme and sometimes councillors refused planning permission when council officers would have granted permission. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/198236-barry-paradepeckham-rye-corner-planning-proposal/#findComment-1268913 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim1234 Posted August 11, 2018 Share Posted August 11, 2018 We need homes. I say build it 50x higher. Stop being such nimbys. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/198236-barry-paradepeckham-rye-corner-planning-proposal/#findComment-1268915 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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