Caravan?s moved into car park at the old Grove Tavern pub

[Penguin68]

A problem may be that it may not be clear whether it is the ground landlord (the Dulwich Estate) or the leaseholder (whichever pubco still has the Grove tavern lease) who will be initially responsible for starting eviction proceedings. Whilst this drags on the value of the property decreases. Of course, if you want the land to be cleared and lucrative housing to replace it the more devastation the better. Just saying...

[alice]

Something needed to happen to force dulwich estates into action. This isn?t it.

[TE44]

Someone took action stopping the homeless guy getting back in. Seems the lease holder/owners are only held to account when there are incidents involving the space being used.

[xapis85]

Current view. Got one of the dumping van too but reg not visible.had to crop right down to minimum so forum could cope with it...

Any news or outcome re risk assessment etc?

[rendelharris]

sally buying Wrote:

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> Why not put heavy large concrete blocks over the

> entrance stopping them get in or out and then

> prosecute.

>

> Or does their protected status stop anything like

> that?

Who are "they" please?

[tasha1]

I would imagine that the travellers are not solely responsible for the fly tipping. I remember when travellers based themselves at Peckham Rye Park a year or so ago, some people were quick to blame them for all the rubbish. However, it transpired that others outside the travelling community, took advantage and dumped van loads of their own rubbish.

[Toffee]

I am glad the travellers have moved in. Could someone please tell me how far the Dulwich Estate now reaches to. Speaking to my neighbours friends today, they bought an ex council house at the Denmark Hill end of Sunday Avenue. They tell me that their Southwark house is owned by the Dulwich Estate. Are Southwark council secretly selling off their street housing stock to them.edited to say Sunray, not Sunday.

[xapis85]

Unfortunately we have a clear view of the site from our window and it was empty before, now full and it's the same truck coming back and forth with full loads of rubbish. Who knows where they're getting it all from...

[Toffee]

They could possibly be advertising as rubbish clearance company and dumping the rubbish there. Sorry, didn?t mean to be flippant in my previous post. I just meant that the Dulwich Estate got what they deserved by leaving it to rot, now they have got the problem of trying to remove the travellers. I hope it costs the Dulwich Estate dearly.

[bels123]

Tweet from local police team @MPSDulwichWood

We are aware of members of the travelling community having pitched up at the Grove Pub car park on Lordship Lane. We are are aware of this issue & are working with @lb_southwark & land owners to get them moved on & the site secured.

Watch this space.

[Angelina]

I'll give you a clue RH...it's not Robin Hood and his band of merry men.

[bels123]

?Fly-tipping is dangerous, unhealthy and an eyesore, however, householders must adopt a more responsible attitude towards having their waste removed. It is unlikely that a "man with a van" and a mobile phone is a responsible contractor who will dispose of waste appropriately.?

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200304/cmselect/cmodpm/633/63318.htm

[apbremer]

I understand from the grape vine that DE and the leaseholders had reached agreement to redevelop the site to provide flats (yes, including affordable) and a supermarket (Waitrose/Aldi??) but Southwark jobsworth planners have blocked it as they insist of a "Community Pub", despite the fact that no other pub operator would look at this site, and pubs are closing wholesale every where. God save us from the cretins who control us.

[Robert Poste's Child]

I bet the Dulwich Estate is aware and trying to get them moved, having dealt with a similar situation at the old Audi garage site only a few months ago, which lasted just a few days but left them with building and other rubbish to clear, damage to repair and theft to deal with.

[KidKruger]

xapis85 "Unfortunately we have a clear view of the site from our window and it was empty before, now full and it's the same truck coming back and forth with full loads of rubbish."

Please do ID the lorry and tell council because there's a risk the travellers get blamed for this and anyway it's looking like fly-tipping which Southwark should have an interest in.

[Sue]

apbremer Wrote:

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> I understand from the grape vine that DE and the

> leaseholders had reached agreement to redevelop

> the site to provide flats (yes, including

> affordable) and a supermarket (Waitrose/Aldi??)

> but Southwark jobsworth planners have blocked it

> as they insist of a "Community Pub", despite the

> fact that no other pub operator would look at this

> site, and pubs are closing wholesale every where.

> God save us from the cretins who control us.

Are you sure that this was not "Community Hub"?

Something quite different from "Community Pub"

http://www.octopuscommunities.org.uk/our-projects/community-hubs/what-is-a-community-hub/

[ianr]

The travellers who took over the hospital site had a number of waste collection trucks and did their own fly-tipping there. http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/read.php?5,1735691,1736690#msg-1736690

[xapis85]

KidKruger Wrote:

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> xapis85 "Unfortunately we have a clear view of the

> site from our window and it was empty before, now

> full and it's the same truck coming back and forth

> with full loads of rubbish."

>

> Please do ID the lorry and tell council because

> there's a risk the travellers get blamed for this

> and anyway it's looking like fly-tipping which

> Southwark should have an interest in.

It's not a question of them being blamed for it...they are doing it! On a massive scale!!

[muffins78]

There?s a truck of rubbish parked on underhill, near the grove tavern end. It?s been there all day, hope that isn?t dumps too - on the assumption it?s theirs of course!

[eblaney]

More tipping just happened. Don't know who it was, faces covered. I counted at least 3 (men, I think). The place is a mess.

[ianjm]

More fly tipping in the last hour, men with a van covering their faces whenever they arrive to make a drop.

I think I can smell it now, although that might just be my imagination.

[xapis85]

We watched too. They are now covering their faces with jumpers/hi-vis jacket whilst dumping.

Getting worse and worse.

Trying to get through to 101 again but been on hold for 15 mins already and know it's futile.

The three dogs were on the loose scrabbling around outside dukes court too

Eblaney Wrote:

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> More tipping just happened. Don't know who it was,

> faces covered. I counted at least 3 (men, I

> think). The place is a mess.

[Angelina]

Deafening silence from our councellors

[ianjm]

Contact details for The Dulwich Estate:

https://www.thedulwichestate.org.uk/contact/

Not sure they will be interested in hearing from us, but I think it's worth calling them tomorrow and conveying the urgency of this situation.

[londonher]

Can definitely smell it now..seen them urinate over the rubbish a few times also!