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now that the yax -lennon thread shouting has died down abit, maybe it would be possible to move the conversation one step further.Lets assume that Yax isnt the issue here- this has been touched on several times on here, but i feel that he is merely a symptom of some kind of larger societal malaise & by shouting about the yx misses the point somewhat.shouty populists do not grow and flower in places with a sunny outlook. By focusing on the symptoms - brexit/ yaxley/conspiracy loonery/ mistrust of people in positions in authority/ peadophile fear etc - we miss the cause of the problem. what is going on and what does this tell us about the health of UK society at the minute ?


Without being patronising - as if - outside London and the odd larger metropolitan area- the majority of the country are not happy with their lot. yes, there are local triggers and local pressures in the background that take the headlines , but what is going on, on a wider level, what is the cause of this perspective?

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uncleglen Wrote:

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> about time- he has only EVER told the TRUTH



I would have time for him if he was truly attacking religious extremism and child abuse equally.


But he?s not.


He?s only focused on Muslims.


Do you wonder why he never mentions the abuses by the Catholic Church, for example? Or the bigotry found within Hindu fundamentalists?


Do you wonder why he?s only interested in targeting Islam, while excusing a pedophile friend of his?

Google Richard Price.

uncleglen Wrote:

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> about time- he has only EVER told the TRUTH


Jolly good. He was certainly telling the TRUTH when he pleaded guilty to the charges on which he was convicted and apologised saying he felt "deep regret" after realising that the consequences of his actions could have been to let guilty men go free and necessitate retrials costing hundreds of thousands of pounds. If he was so innocent, why did he plead guilty and apologise? He's been released on procedural grounds and legal experts fully expect him to be reconvicted at a new trial. He has not been found innocent, he has been sent for a new trial.


If you have room for just one thing in your bile-filled hate-boiling Islamaphobic skull, make it this: the men accused of paedophilia were on trial. They were found guilty and given long sentences. The only person who risked them not receiving the sentences they thoroughly deserved was the many times convicted (amongst his convictions are drug possession, assault on a police officer, common assault, threatening and abusive behaviour and mortgage fraud) Stephen Yaxley-Lennon.


Still, nice to see you coming out as the filthy EDL supporter we all know you are. And spare us any squeals of outrage, if you say that all SYL aka TR has ever done is told the truth, you support the EDL and their ilk.

ianr Wrote:

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> JohnL Wrote:

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> > Oh Gawd he's out - re-trial.

>

> You're unhappy about his being bailed?


Personally yes because I don't like his brand of politics - legally the appeal court had a point but most of us wouldn't get that justice - he has top lawyers retained paid for by The Middle East Forum (an anti islamic group in the states).


https://www.meforum.org/


"The full resources of the Middle East Forum were activated to free Mr. Robinson. We:


Conferred with his legal team and made funding available to them;

Funded, organized and staffed the large ?Free Tommy? London rallies on June 9 and July 14 (see The Times, The Guardian, and the Independent);

Funded travel by Rep. Paul Gosar (R-AZ) to London to address the rally; and

Urged Sam Brownback, the State Department?s ambassador for International Religious Freedom, to raise the issue with the UK?s ambassador."

"The Philadelphia-based Middle East Forum promotes American interests and works to protect Western civilization from the threat of Islamism."

JoeLeg Wrote:

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> uncleglen Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > about time- he has only EVER told the TRUTH

>

>

> I would have time for him if he was truly

> attacking religious extremism and child abuse

> equally.

>

> But he?s not.

>

> He?s only focused on Muslims.

>

> Do you wonder why he never mentions the abuses by

> the Catholic Church, for example? Or the bigotry

> found within Hindu fundamentalists?

>

> Do you wonder why he?s only interested in

> targeting Islam, while excusing a pedophile friend

> of his?

> Google Richard Price.


It won't end with the moslems. If the alt right are in a pub they'll talk to me if I don't say much - so I know some of the views they have.

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out?

Because I was not a Socialist.


Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out?

Because I was not a Trade Unionist.


Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out?

Because I was not a Jew.


Then they came for me?and there was no one left to speak for me.



Never again Uncleglen. Never again...

His early ventures into the public spotlight was relating the activities of muslims in Luton....his own personal experience and TRUE events in his own neighbourhood.

The muslim who exposed a grooming gang was best placed to do what he did because the only reason these and other nefarious activities go on is because the 'communities' are self-contained and protectionist and this goes for Saville, Catholic Institutions etc as well.

So Nazir Afzal got the conviction in 2014 was it(?) What about Sara Rowbotham MP who tried to alert authorities in 2005....how come Nazir Afzam didn't pick up on it back then?

Contempt appeal judgment: http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Crim/2018/1856.html.


At para.12, concerning the initial contempt at Canterbury:


"The judge emphasised that the contempt hearing was not about free speech, legitimate journalism or whether one political viewpoint was right or better than another. It was about ensuring that a trial could be carried out justly and fairly."

uncleglen Wrote:

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> His early ventures into the public spotlight was

> relating the activities of muslims in Luton....his

> own personal experience and TRUE events in his own

> neighbourhood.

> The muslim who exposed a grooming gang was best

> placed to do what he did because the only reason

> these and other nefarious activities go on is

> because the 'communities' are self-contained and

> protectionist and this goes for Saville, Catholic

> Institutions etc as well.

> So Nazir Afzal got the conviction in 2014 was

> it(?) What about Sara Rowbotham MP who tried to

> alert authorities in 2005....how come Nazir Afzam

> didn't pick up on it back then?



How splendidly cheap and EDL of you to spell his name wrong. Cheap, but expected. He wasn't involved in the Rochdale case in its early years as he was neither in the location nor of the seniority to be so. He did not "expose" the grooming gang because he was part of their community, because he wasn't - he's from Birmingham, not Rochdale. One of his first actions on being appointed Crown Chief Prosecutor for the Northwest in 2011 was to overturn the previous decision of (white, non-Muslim) prosecutors not to pursue the case, and to initiate prosecutions that were ultimately successful. Sorry if the facts don't fit the far-right narrative.


Sara Rowbotham, while a splendid (Labour, that must stick in your hate-filled craw, if you actually knew it) local councillor is not an MP - a minor detail, but symptomatic of your muddled-headed bigotted ignorance.


P.S. I suggest before you continue your Tommy worship you look up, as JoeLeg suggested, EDL founder member Richard Price - convicted of possession of child pornography and placed on the sex offenders' register. Tommy Robinson whined that Price was "stitched up" and that the police had "no right" to raid his home and seize his computer. What was that you were saying about self-contained protectionist communities?

uncleglen Wrote:

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> His early ventures into the public spotlight was

> relating the activities of muslims in Luton....his

> own personal experience and TRUE events in his own

> neighbourhood.

> The muslim who exposed a grooming gang was best

> placed to do what he did because the only reason

> these and other nefarious activities go on is

> because the 'communities' are self-contained and

> protectionist and this goes for Saville, Catholic

> Institutions etc as well.


That has nothing to do with Robinson?s curious reluctance to challenge child abusers from any other religion. He seems very...focused, shall we say, on Islam. Have you seen who is funding his high-powered legal team? He?s got quite a lot of support from American groups who seem keen to impose their own narrative on the U.K.



So Nazir Afzal got the conviction in 2014 was

> it(?) What about Sara Rowbotham MP who tried to

> alert authorities in 2005....how come Nazir Afzam

> didn't pick up on it back then?


I?m slightly confused here. Given that Afzal did not have the legal authority in 2005 to initiator proceedings (a year in whic he was prosecuting people for honour killings), I can hardly see how he can be held responsible for a lack of action in Rochdale.




Have you checked out Richard Price yet?

I can provide a list of around 15 EDL members who were convicted of child rape and peadophile related crimes. But people like Uncleglen are living in a parallel universe of denial.


Even on the point of journalism, and Yaxley Lennon (with all his fake names) is no journalist, Andrew Norfolk of the Times is the proper investigative journalist who pursued the Rochdale crimes and eventually persuaded his editor to go with it.


You see, Lennon is just a pretender. A fraud, a fake. He is a single issue obsessive, obsessed with hatred for Islam. He cares nothing about child rape at all. If he did, he would be highlighting all cases of such and lobbying parliament for change in the same way that genuine campaigners (many of them themselves victims) already do. He is a narcissistic rabble rouser. And he belongs to a group who think it is ok to threaten Police, the law, elected officials and just about anyone that stands in their way. He is enjoying attention simply because of the rise of an alt right movement, a movement that does not actually believe in free speech for anyone outside of its own echo chamber, a movement that believes in totalitarianism over liberty. And many of those being sucked into this narrative, ordinary people on the whole, would not like the world these people are driving to create either.


Lennon ultimately is becoming a puppet, for people far more clever than he can ever hope to be. That is the dangerous part of this.

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