Save The Peckham Rye Irish Festival

[Alan Medic]

Interesting to read that the profits were used to fund another organisation. I wonder if the event would actually make enough to cover its own costs?

As for you MM man, if you're lucky you will one day belong to one of those groups.

[david_carnell]

Look deep inside yourself MamoraMan - embrace your old, gay Brazilian persona - and then go along anyway. You're still welcome at all of these events regardless.

[Huguenot]

If these events are as popular and important as the attendees claim, then I'm sure they won't mind paying for their own facilities, policing and clear up?

Eight hundred wouldn't be an unreasonable guesstimate of Irish Festival attendees - so at 40 grand cost, I'm sure they won't mind stumping up fifty quid each for the ticket, and the chance to sit on litter strewn damp grass and drink cheap alcohol?

If they don't think it's worth fifty quid a ticket, then I'm sure they'll understand if the taxpayer doesn't think it's worth that also.

By the way, re. the OP, are Irish and Gypsy now interchangeable?

[Alan Medic]

According to the article H, the attendance at the Festival was more like 16,000. Don't understand your cheap alcohol slur. One more assumption you seem to be making is that none of the attendees are taxpayers? Are you a UK taxpayer?

[StraferJack]

I think the cheap alcohol comment was in reference to the fact that people bring their own tinnies and wine along - so rather than paying ?4 bar prices, you get 4 tinnies for the same price. That's what I used to do anyway

As for the festival - it's all been trashed out before. It was a poor excuse for a festival - but I went every year. If it was on again I would probably wander along but completely understand why it doesn't warrant taxpayers money

But just as with the last time this festival was discussed it appears that some people want to get all upset and offended - anyone getting upset about the festival not being funded is genuinely like 2 bald men fighting over a comb.

[Alan Medic]

The only person offended to this point is the saddened opening poster.

[Huguenot]

It wasn't a slur AM, it was what I saw.

I certainly didn't see 16,000 people there either, but I'm quite happy to take them at their word. If there were, then they'd only have to pay 3 quid each. Even the traveller community could afford that, and for most kids it's only a part of their weekly pocket money. No need to bother the taxpayer at all - surprised it's even a conversation. They could probably make a packet in sponsorship if there were really that many people.

Of course the organisers might not agree if there really weren't actually 16,000 people there ;-)

Quite disappointed by your employment of the bankrupt ruse of calling me a foreigner to negate my opinion. It's been used before, and its repetition doesn't make it any more impressive.

[Alan Medic]

I didn't call you a foreigner as you well know. Neither was I trying to impress. You ignored the fact that many attendees at such an event are probably taxpayers while you try to feign the indignation of a taxpayer, without paying any taxes. Sorry but what is your opinion?

[Huguenot]

I wasn't feigning the indignation of a taxpayer, I didn't either claim I was one or that they were indignant.

I simply observed that if the attendees didn't think it was worth paying for, then there's no reason the taxpayer should either.

Go back and read it again.

Even if we accept that there were 16,000 attendees, this is still only a fraction of the taxpayers of Southwark. Having said that - since it's govt. funding to Southwark that's been cut, and council tax is a constant, we can assume that the funding for this picnic came from HM government fees - which means that it was the entire taxpaying population of the UK that were funding it.

Come on AM - it's only 3 quid each, why don't all the attendees stump up for it, and you can still have your party without resorting to telling other people they're not entitled to an opinion. ;-)

[Otta]

alwaysFN Wrote:

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Well not this culture,

> there's a fair coming so dont you worry mister K.

So why start a thread to save it, if you're so sure it's coming?

[Alan Medic]

H, my apologies. I should have realised how sensitive you are about certain issues. I agree with practically everything you've written. Why am I being such a -----?

[Undisputedtruth]

I don't see many Irish living in Peckham.

Perhaps it be better to have an African Festival to represent the local population.

[Alan Medic]

I bet seeing Phil Lynott in Peckham would confuse you UDT.

[Huguenot]

I bet it would, he wouldn't half hum...

[maxxi]

How do you 'see' the Irish udt? (not a philosophoical question) Do you have some kind of Celt-vision goggles that lets you know where they are?

[katie1997]

I understood that this area does (or at least it used to) have a large Irish population. Like Kilburn and Cricklewood are (or were).

Only from what my friend had said to me about ED and he's lived here for 25 years. He was a newcomer from oop north back then so what does he know?! :)

[maxxi]

Well I shall be taking my Irish OH to the Peckham Rye Fete this Saturday in an attempt to be festive in an Irish and English manner - at the same time! (Beer tent, Pimms, French Cider, Coconut shy, Punch & Judy, etc.).

[Undisputedtruth]

@maxxi,

I thought the Irish were already catered for by the GLA. The GLA also caters for the Chinese.

But I can't see no one catering for the African community.

@alan medic,

Why? Is he back in Town?

[ibilly99]

I'd rather my taxes went on funding festivals rather than bailing out the banks. Me and the missus always had a good time there very 1970's retro rural Oireland feeling about it.

[Undisputedtruth]

Alan Medic Wrote:

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> I bet seeing Phil Lynott in Peckham would confuse

> you UDT.

He would indeed!!!

[maxxi]

Undisputedtruth Wrote:

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> @maxxi,

>

> I thought the Irish were already catered for by

> the GLA. The GLA also caters for the Chinese.

>

> But I can't see no one catering for the African

> community.

>

udt - I am English, my partner is Irish and we intend to attend the said fete on Saturday.

This fete is organised by the Friends Of Peckham Rye Park of whom I know little but suspect they are not governed by issues of race/ethnicity rather than by local people trying to preserve and enjoy a local facility.

Whether the GLA funds or otherwise helps the foprp I have no idea but if they do I suspect that they too would refrain from deciding to help or not based on arguments of race/ethnicity.

As I am English and my partner Irish (keeping up?) we shall enjoy the festivities (despite it not being a festival) in an English and Irish manner.

This should be enough for you but I would also add that the deliberate double negative and your trouble in perceiving which ethnic groups are 'catered' for by the GLA are tiresome red herrings.

Why don't you go to the fete and see if any Africans are being catered for there? It would be a start.

[edhistory]

katie1997:

Your understanding is correct.

alwaysFN's muddled comment about the pre-1966 boroughs is confusing things.

In the early 19th century the Church of England was concerned that Bermondsey Parish was a de facto Roman Catholic Parish. Various C of E missionary societies set up "home missions" to bring the semi-pagan Irish Roman Catholics into the arms of the true church. Unfortunately all the "home mission" reports I've read so far are from up north. Lancashire seems to have been a particular concern.

By the 1840s the Irish had drifted south to Camberwell Parish. Camberwell Vestry petitioned parliament for funds to to have the Irish deported so they would not be a burden on the poor law rate.

In the 1850s the Roman Catholic Diocese set up a Peckham Mission to take care to take care of the spiritual and practical needs of local Irish Catholics. This was run by the Capuchin Fathers out of Gordon Road. The Peckham Mission's boundary included most of modern East Dulwich.

As East Dulwich was built over from the 1860s the Irish arrived here.

John K

[edhistory]

> The lower half of the common is common land, always has bin, and i will save me coin ta.

That's a new assetion to add to the earlier ones. Do you have any evidence for this?

> Thats what your lot do to culture they sweep it away

I tend to the Marxist position about whether I belong to a lot.

> there's a fair coming so dont you worry mister K.

I don't understand this comment.

John K

[Undisputedtruth]

@Maxxi,

Better still, I've actually attended the GLA funded Irish event a couple of times. It's a massive event.

I'm sorry if you disagree with my views in that Africans should be represented in their own events. I'm not African so you can rely on the fact that my views are thoroughly objective. According to the attached flyer, the Peckham Rye fete is a community event and not targetted at any particular ethnicity. Enjoy your visit.

I'll be in Peckham Rye this Saturday too but playing football.:))

[maxxi]

udt "I'm sorry if you disagree with my views in that Africans should be represented in their own events."

I did not say this.

udt "the Peckham Rye fete is a community event and not targetted at any particular ethnicity"

I did say this.

My initial post - meant lightheartedly and in answer to those lamenting the cancellation of the Irish Festival - was to illustrate that there is an 'event' taking place in the park this Saturday which my partner and I were going to attend as representatives of the Irish and English communities.

Your response to that was that 'the Irish' are already catered for and the Africans are not. That had nothing to do with my post.

If you want to make a point about different ethnic groups receiving differing levels of support from the GLA may I suggest you start a thread on the topic.

Enjoy your game.