blinder999 Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 As I recall it, the term Political Correctness wasn't coined by right wingers - I remember it being used in the eighties as a positive notion re: protecting minorities - but right wingers started using it as an insult very soon afterwards - because demonising minorities was part of their ideology. Cameron and co are still trying to shake off this legacy today, because for most of us, 'political correctness' has in fact made us look at the way we treat other people, and has had a huge positive effect.I expect in Jamaica, there are people hearing about people in the UK protesting about Buju Banton's homophobic lyrics, shaking their heads and saying 'political correctness gone mad' Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1921-political-correctness-gone-mad/page/3/#findComment-63710 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanMacGabhann Posted December 19, 2007 Author Share Posted December 19, 2007 blinderThere are people in the UK doing that already - no need to go anywhere elseThe term PC now has the same connotaions as the phrase "liberal" in the US - as if BY DEFINITION wanting to do something in anyway poitive is worthy of scorn - ther very misuse of language EdOldie mentionsIt's why, if someone is going to say political correctness gone mad, it better be a good example or I tend to get overly snarly about itMaybe not as snarly as Stewart Lee in the clip at the beginning of this thread, but still... Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1921-political-correctness-gone-mad/page/3/#findComment-63711 Share on other sites More sharing options...
blinder999 Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 Though I support your contempt for the 'political correctness gone mad' brigade, I think you're being disingenuous in denying the distinction Sean - it doesn't help the argument to pretend the concept doesn't exist.I have to say this retrospective bowdlerisation of Fairytale of New York is the best/worst of example of 'political correctness gone mad' I've heard in a while - and I think it's unproductive for us liberal hand-wringing types to deny that. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1921-political-correctness-gone-mad/page/3/#findComment-63712 Share on other sites More sharing options...
EDOldie Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 It was probably coined by the press, but we are talking about 'PCness gone mad'. The very interesting point you raise blinder about other peoples perception of what might be politically correct opens all sorts of questions about respecting and protecting other peoples cultures. Are we so right about this we should be, like the missionaries of old, be converting everyone we can to our way of thinking? Can there be a correct political correctness, and somewhere where political correctness has, in fact, gone mad? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1921-political-correctness-gone-mad/page/3/#findComment-63713 Share on other sites More sharing options...
blinder999 Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 > There are people in the UK doing that already - no> need to go anywhere elsenot in any mainstream media - including red tops etc. Of course, if you were to trawl a bit, you could find any loathsome opinion you like in this country. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1921-political-correctness-gone-mad/page/3/#findComment-63715 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendan Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 Censorship is legally enforced. Political correctness is (well at least should be) just a general kind of politeness or respect for others and it should be an individual?s choice. Problem is the lines blur and unfortunately 90% of this world?s population are such fucking idiots they need to be told what to do by some kind of institutionalised power (normally run exclusively by people who fit firmly into that 90%) so we need to make discriminatory speech illegal instead of us all just realising that it is generally just not a very good idea. Idiocy begets idiocy. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1921-political-correctness-gone-mad/page/3/#findComment-63716 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ladygooner Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 Just read that Radio 1 has reversed its decision to bleep out the words "faggot" and "slut" from the record. Apparently it had a barrage of complaints from listeners and Kirsty MacColl's mother. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1921-political-correctness-gone-mad/page/3/#findComment-63718 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeckhamRose Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 The ENglish band XTC did a fab song called DEAR GOD. That was banned in Bible belt and made them stars in America. About 1987. I appeared in the video too! Listen, America's full of idiots. It's their education system and appalling moneydriven politicians both sponsored by big business and advertising and the mind virus called Religion sponsored by the very same big business that's causing it. Everyone go over there, be nice, and spread the word from within that they need not be like this. :) (Runs away from the flames.) My relatives are American and I go there regularly and strangers come up to me in the street and shops upon hearing my accent and even when I refuse their religious cards, they are ACHING to know about what UK thinks about them and ACHIN|G to tell me they did not vote Bush in and the war is wrong. Honest! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1921-political-correctness-gone-mad/page/3/#findComment-63720 Share on other sites More sharing options...
blinder999 Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 I love XTC! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1921-political-correctness-gone-mad/page/3/#findComment-63721 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanMacGabhann Posted December 19, 2007 Author Share Posted December 19, 2007 I believe peckhamRose has an even closer connection with that track, hmmmmm? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1921-political-correctness-gone-mad/page/3/#findComment-63724 Share on other sites More sharing options...
EDOldie Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 It's funny that, we were in the states this year and NONE of them voted for Bush. Make you wonder? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1921-political-correctness-gone-mad/page/3/#findComment-63725 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanMacGabhann Posted December 19, 2007 Author Share Posted December 19, 2007 you were near a coast then? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1921-political-correctness-gone-mad/page/3/#findComment-63732 Share on other sites More sharing options...
EDOldie Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 Very, but not sure I get your continental drift Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1921-political-correctness-gone-mad/page/3/#findComment-63733 Share on other sites More sharing options...
downsouth Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 You were away from the 'heartlands' of Middle America. They have a more traditional view on life. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1921-political-correctness-gone-mad/page/3/#findComment-63741 Share on other sites More sharing options...
blinder999 Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 PeckhamRose Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> The ENglish band XTC did a fab song called DEAR> GOD. That was banned in Bible belt and made them> stars in America. About 1987. I appeared in the> video too! Is that you up in the tree? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1921-political-correctness-gone-mad/page/3/#findComment-63746 Share on other sites More sharing options...
EDOldie Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 WQhat I meant was everyone we spoke to was in denial. Bit like when John Major won the second time. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1921-political-correctness-gone-mad/page/3/#findComment-63750 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keef Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 God I wish I'd just put the story in the News Today thread. I only put it here because someone used the phrase, didn't think it would stir such a debate.For my part, I have to admit Sean that it bugs me when you just dismiss anyone who says "political correctness gone mad", it comes over a bit superior, and I'm sure (whether I agree with it or not), I could take a few examples apart and make a good arguement out of them.Now I know that this phrase is often used by hard right tw@ts, but that is not to say that it doesn't exist, and to deny the existance of something is just to stick your head in the sand. You said at the beginning of this thread that the clip you posted pretty much summed up your views, and this worries me because it was just so labelling of people that do use this phrase as right wing biggots.Now in this particular case, they cencored the words "you're an old slut on junk" because "slut" is viewed as offensive swear word, and, I guess, because they suggesting drug use. However, the "faggot" bit was cencored specifically to avoid offending gay people, and that I would say is political correctness, and yes, I think in this case it's OTT (or gone mad perhaps).Whilst cencorship and PC are not one and the same, cencorship is often a tool of PC.I hate disagreeing with people. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1921-political-correctness-gone-mad/page/3/#findComment-63770 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendan Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 fuck fuck cunt fucking cunt and further morefuck fuck cunt fuckingfrom which we can concludefuck fuck cunt fucking cunt Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1921-political-correctness-gone-mad/page/3/#findComment-63772 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanMacGabhann Posted December 19, 2007 Author Share Posted December 19, 2007 s;alright Keef. I'm aware of the superior accusation (hence the * tries to remember Tillies advice * bit at the beginning of one of my posts) and blinder has already disagreed with me, along much the same lines as youAnd of course there is truth in what you say - but I am taking a hardline stance (even if it does me no favours) just as a reactionAnd being contrary as ever, I'm finding my opinion shifting on this whole issue and wishing the BBC had stuck with original decision - I referenced an interview with Thatchell earlier and found a column in the paper todayhttp://music.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,,2229478,00.html Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1921-political-correctness-gone-mad/page/3/#findComment-63774 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mockney piers Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 I guess most instances are like this one, an individual circumstance responded to in a certain way and either something is changed or it's not.All generalisations like "its political correctness gone mad" serve are to undermine any debate by implying there's some sort of global/national loony-left conspiracy to stop people saying anything at all.Yes, any level of 'political correctness' is by definition almost a newspeak in that it attempts to change the way one thinks through curtailment of language.If that stops the casual use of nigger, paki or the pejorative use of jew and faggot then I don't see it being so bad.As with anything there are degrees and lines, and every case should be based on its merits.In the famous hackney banning christmas it was an error of judgement by a junior administrator that was quickly overturned, in this case the BBC has had a ponder and rightly changed its mind (I think, I haven't really followed the story).Doubtless sometimes things do go too far, I for one thought the Prince Harry - Afrika Korps thing was funny, but hey.But to lump them all under some umbrella of PC gone mad is in itself newspeak.Sorry if this opinion is obscured by the muffling effect of the sand ;) Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1921-political-correctness-gone-mad/page/3/#findComment-63778 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendan Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 @#$%& @#$%& @#$%& @#$%& @#$%& Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1921-political-correctness-gone-mad/page/3/#findComment-63779 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendan Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 Don't you think? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1921-political-correctness-gone-mad/page/3/#findComment-63780 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 shit (just seeing if shit was a blocked word but it's not, brendan faked it) Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1921-political-correctness-gone-mad/page/3/#findComment-63784 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keef Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 mockney piers Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> All generalisations like "its political correctness gone mad" serve are to undermine any debate by implying there's some sort of global/national loony-left conspiracy to stop people saying anything at all.What he said.With regards to that article Sean, when he puts it like that........ I just don't know what to think anymore!!!! :-S Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1921-political-correctness-gone-mad/page/3/#findComment-63786 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanMacGabhann Posted December 19, 2007 Author Share Posted December 19, 2007 oooh - just because Mockney put my point better (as usual) you agree with him! ;-)And yeah, the interview made me stop in my tracks and think as well - 'orrible when facts and reality get in the way of opinions isn't it?Ah well - pint and make up everyone? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1921-political-correctness-gone-mad/page/3/#findComment-63789 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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